Legal fund for Reviewers/Erin?

[Emlin]

Agreed. But who is "we" and why should readers pay for it, instead of public reviewers covering their own? You are trying to get eyeballs and some $, don't insult (not you amirm) our collective intelligence claiming this is done for world peace. Even if you do it as a hobby you do it for some noteriety. And doing it without any remote knowledge of potential legal exposure and total unpreparedness for legal backlash is very unprofessional IMO.

The zip is now needed more than before, I think.

 

[pablolie]

We is every online reviewer. And yes, they (reviewers) need to pay it just like some of us pay for hosting services. Just cost of doing business. Readers would indirectly fund that through monetization or donation but no reason go out with hands out for it if the cost is reasonable.

Insurance should also be easier to find. It took my agent weeks to find me one company that would insure me. They covered me for two years and just told me they were no longer in this market. Then another multi-week search started to find another company.

I do support this website. I'd gladly contribute more to protect the reviews you sign with your name (even though I don't always may agree with the conclusions).
My issue is with EVERY amateurish reviewer claiming the exact same status and protection, even when their review methodology/opinion is clearly flawed and completely abandons what I regard as "ASR style" review format.
They should not always automatically get the right to hide themselves under the shelter of your credibility, nor get automatic financial support.
In one case, the review was a laughable diatribe presenting very good measurements extaposed by far less credible subjective listening opinions. And we were supposed to rally and donate $ to protect that?
I wish you hadn't said "every online reviewer"... you endorse them all? same credibility?
No way. I can differentiate between your reviews and others.
No matter how much we may disagree on a topic like this, I am an unconditional ASR supporter for the rest of my life, by the way.

 

[Jim Taylor]

I do support this website. I'd gladly contribute more to protect the reviews you sign with your name (even though I don't always may agree with the conclusions).
My issue is with EVERY amateurish reviewer claiming the exact same status and protection, even when their review methodology/opinion is clearly flawed and completely abandons what I regard as "ASR style" review format.
They should not always automatically get the right to hide themselves under the shelter of your credibility, nor get automatic financial support.
In one case, the review was a laughable diatribe presenting very good measurements extaposed by far less credible subjective listening opinions. And we were supposed to rally and donate $ to protect that?
I wish you hadn't said "every online reviewer"... you endorse them all? same credibility?
No way. I can differentiate between your reviews and others.

Some laws are umbrellas. For instance ... "Freedom of Speech" protects other people who say things you may not like or agree with. Protecting "every online reviewer" means they fall under the umbrella even if you don't like them.

And "protection" definitely does NOT mean that they automatically become credible or endorsable. We need to have faith that the majority of the human race can see clearly and is not as easily deluded as we might think. They just need a law that gives them a level playing field.

 

[pablolie]

Some laws are umbrellas. For instance ... "Freedom of Speech" protects other people who say things you may not like or agree with. Protecting "every online reviewer" means they fall under the umbrella even if you don't like them.

And "protection" definitely does NOT mean that they automatically become credible or endorsable. We need to have faith that the majority of the human race can see clearly and is not as easily deluded as we might think. They just need a law that gives them a level playing field.

Well I don't like the concept of universally protecting every brain fart, so sue me.

 

[Jim Taylor]

Well I don't like the concept of universally protecting every brain fart, so sue me.

That's the most wonderful example of irony that I've seen recently. I love it!

(BTW ... I'm not in love with it, either. But the alternatives are more detestable.)

 

[pablolie]

That's the most wonderful example of irony that I've seen recently. I love it!

(BTW ... I'm not in love with it, either. But the alternatives are more detestable.)

All on board with that direction, Captain. Doesn't make me happy, but some resemblance of balance is the best we can hope for.

 

[alexanderino]

Well I don't like the concept of universally protecting every brain fart, so sue me.

‘I [may] disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it’ — Voltaire, probably.

As @Jim Taylor stated, the alternatives are worse.

 

[pablolie]

‘I [may] disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it’ — Voltaire, probably.

As @Jim Taylor stated, the alternatives are worse.

Nothing remotely to do with anything I said. I DEFEND the right to free speech... In fact I have been in the line of fire protecting those values. Screw you for for remotely implying my point is to suppress it. And thinking freedom of speech means everybody needs to nod their heads at every idiocy you inflict upon them is deluded.

Freedom of speech is ideally based on genuine conviction and willingness to individually defend what you talk about. Not yelp and then cower under grandma's skirt.

 

[alexanderino]

Screw you for for remotely implying my point is to suppress it.

Is that what you gleaned from my post?

 

[pablolie]

Is that what you gleaned from my post?

Not the least interested in further exchanges with you.

 

[EJ3]

There seems to be a lot of willy waving going on, with total disregard to the problems faced by an average, let alone vulnerable, person facing this sort bullying.

Please, you superheroes, zip it back up.

That is hilarious to those of us who have been through it (or are going through it now).

 

[EJ3]

There seems to be a lot of willy waving going on, with total disregard to the problems faced by an average, let alone vulnerable, person facing this sort bullying.

Please, you superheroes, zip it back up.

If you live near the tree that you picture, I grew up around it before they cordoned it off (and still live near it, even though I have lived elsewhere, having never sold my original home, even though I was out of the country for 17 years).

 

[MaxwellsEq]

Is this litigation risk confined to the US? I'm not under any "amendments" here. No-one will defend my "freedom of speech" if I say something inappropriate.

 

[teched58]

I think the discussion on the past few pages shows that most of you are implicitly agreeing with me that l'affaire Eric has had a chilling effect.

The only question is, how significant has this effect been? I would posit that that we can't know, but I'd bet that there are and will be fewer negative reviews posted. Far fewer, and there ain't that many posted to begin with. [EDIT: I am NOT referring to postings here on ASR. I'm talking in general, throughout the audiophilic websophere.]

 

[Jim Taylor]

Is this litigation risk confined to the US? I'm not under any "amendments" here. No-one will defend my "freedom of speech" if I say something inappropriate.

Yes.

 

[ahofer]

I remember talking to the attorney that wanted to handle our appeal for the above case. I asked him how judges could possibly understand the real issues involved in our case. He said he used to clerk for a judge. Whenever they got technical cases, they too had little ability to understand the issues involved. The judge's approach to that was: "let's see who is the bad guy and throw the book at him; they will appeal anyway and we let them figure this out!"

I’ve experienced this first hand, in litigation over a real estate business. I’ll put the technical issue below, because it is funny (now), but the judge instructed something nonsensical and directly against overwhelming precedent, then he even addressed us out in the street during the lunch break (totally inappropriate) saying “as far as I can tell you are all just greedy”.

——

So our expert explained the valuation of one of a group of properties - a garage and underlying plot of land in a dense part of midtown Manhattan which was on triple net lease for 14 more years. He discounted the value of the lease payments plus a highest and best use terminal valuation of the land in year 14. Very conventional. The judge asked him how he knew what the value of the lot would be in fourteen years:

Expert: “With all due respect, you honor, that’s what expert witnesses are charged with doing, and its conventional in both business and case law”
Judge: “you don’t know what it will be worth, make it zero”.
Expert: “Zero is also a valuation, your honor”.
Judge: “I don’t care - you value any other properties this way”
Expert: “all of them”
Judge: “change them all to zero”

Meanwhile, I’m jumping out of my skin (I’m lead plaintiff here), but my lawyer is whispering “calm down, the appeal is a lock now”.

Fortunately, he was crazy to the other guys as well, and we settled at a decent number. I think that was the judge’s true objective - get out of my courtroom. Still, I disapprove of any judge who doesn’t place the law first and foremost.

 

[I Got A Letter]

On this topic, is anyone here familiar with the Youtuber Mend It Mark? Genuinely warm and engaging chap who repairs audio equipment to a high standard.. He was sent a £25k preamp to repair by the manufacturer who challenged him that he wouldn't be able to repair it. When he did repair it (and write his own schematic and service manual for the rather shoddily made thing) the manufacturer appears to have put a copyright claim on his video and had it removed from youtube.

 

[voodooless]

Post from Erin's Audio Corner

(Part 1/3) Recently, Børresen issued a memo to their dealer network regarding my review of their X3 loudspeaker (see attached image 1). This memo was subsequ...

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(Part 2/3) Now, let’s address the specific points raised by Børresen. Børresen’s Statement: "Sometime ago, Erins Audio Corner requested our X3s for review – ...

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(Part 3/3) Børresen’s Statement: “The only other option to a large sound-dead laboratory room is to do measurements outdoors where all room resonances are el...

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Here we are again! Erin needs to defend himself again against nonsense accusations of a company because he exposed their incompetence

The fact that they don’t know what a Kippel is (or pretend not to), should tell you all you need to know. Let’s see where this goes…

 

[tmtomh]

Post from Erin's Audio Corner

(Part 1/3) Recently, Børresen issued a memo to their dealer network regarding my review of their X3 loudspeaker (see attached image 1). This memo was subsequ...

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Post from Erin's Audio Corner

(Part 2/3) Now, let’s address the specific points raised by Børresen. Børresen’s Statement: "Sometime ago, Erins Audio Corner requested our X3s for review – ...

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Post from Erin's Audio Corner

(Part 3/3) Børresen’s Statement: “The only other option to a large sound-dead laboratory room is to do measurements outdoors where all room resonances are el...

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Here we are again! Erin needs to defend himself again against nonsense accusations of a company because he exposed their incompetence

The fact that they don’t know what a Kippel is (or pretend not to), should tell you all you need to know. Let’s see where this goes…

Yes, the apparent total ignorance of the existence of the Klippel system is what immediately jumped out to me as well.

 

[MattHooper]

Post from Erin's Audio Corner

(Part 1/3) Recently, Børresen issued a memo to their dealer network regarding my review of their X3 loudspeaker (see attached image 1). This memo was subsequ...

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Post from Erin's Audio Corner

(Part 2/3) Now, let’s address the specific points raised by Børresen. Børresen’s Statement: "Sometime ago, Erins Audio Corner requested our X3s for review – ...

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Post from Erin's Audio Corner

(Part 3/3) Børresen’s Statement: “The only other option to a large sound-dead laboratory room is to do measurements outdoors where all room resonances are el...

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Here we are again! Erin needs to defend himself again against nonsense accusations of a company because he exposed their incompetence

The fact that they don’t know what a Kippel is (or pretend not to), should tell you all you need to know. Let’s see where this goes…

Yeah, saw that.

I know it’s not Erin’s goal to disparage any company, but the data and his review - and his explication of the data - couldn’t help being an embarrassing moment for a speaker company purported to be at the bleeding edge of innovation. (and pricing.!)