Lack of Bass With my Setup

[Talisman]

It honestly seems like what you're experiencing is due to the stationary modes in your room (you say you hear bass again when you leave the room) in relation to your speakers and their placement. Trying to equalize in this case won't help; it will only increase low-frequency distortion. Experiment with different placements, varying distances from the back wall or between speakers. Ideally, you'd need a frequency response measurement to understand what's going on.

 

[Oddball]

I'd be really unhappy with 5" woofers, however I position them. That's less than what I have for Atmos speakers.

We need to be realistic with our expectations vs gear involved. Don't want to state my base line as it might sound unrealistic and quite overdone...

 

[Talisman]

I'd be really unhappy with 5" woofers, however I position them. That's less than what I have for Atmos speakers.

We need to be realistic with our expectations vs gear involved. Don't want to state my base line as it might sound unrealistic and quite overdone...

5" woofers in a nearfield configuration and with the rear wall reinforcement can easily provide a fairly perceptible bass up to 40Hz, much more than enough to enjoy almost all musical genres without major shortcomings.

 

[Oddball]

Yes, fairly perceptible vs convincing vs overwhelming is generally what I am talking about, and then there is distortion that is a separate matter...

 

[witwald]

The problem is the bass.

That's likely to be due to room modes and the distinct possibility that you can be sitting in a room null where there isn't much bass at certain frequencies. I suggest that you measure your room dimensions and feed them into one of the online room modes calculators. That should give you some idea of the pressure distribution in the room at different frequencies.

I just mention that I try other source maybe this will solve the problem, maybe the Youtube quality is too low that some sounds/beats are dissappered due to low codecs.

That is decidedly unlikely. From time to time, I've measured the low-frequency content of tracks that are available on YouTube. They've never come up looking as if the bass has disappeared.

 

[ChaoscripT]

You should just try it out and see if it changes your bass issue. It was just a suggestion to narrow down the problem.
It takes about two minutes to try it out, but no one's forcing you to.

If make them vertical,
It will be like this, it's OK? (see the twitter)

One of the more difficult lessons I have learned since engulfing on this Hifi curse hobby, is room modes. I went through 3 pairs of speakers before I finally realised that the reason I wasn’t getting any mid-bass punch, was to do with my room, my listening position and the position of the speakers.

When you move the speakers closer or further from the wall, you will notice a difference. If you walk around the room, do you hear more bass in any location? Can you move your MLP?

There is a free app called house curve which although probably far from precise when using your phones microphone, can help you get an idea of what room peaks and nulls are affecting the bass in various positions.

I will try maybe to find some spot that I can change the speakers closer to wall, but it's small room then I really hope I will find, or live with what I have.

 

[Talisman]

Yes, fairly perceptible vs convincing vs overwhelming is generally what I am talking about, and then there is distortion that is a separate matter...

Sure, I understand what you mean. In my living room, I have 5" Atmos speakers and 6" surround speakers, as well as four subwoofers.
However, on my desk, I use 4" Miccas (also reviewed by Amir), and between proximity, wall reinforcement, low volume, and a little EQ, I get very enjoyable results with almost any music.
They're horses for different races.

 

[DanielT]

Physics! You're simply not going to get "realistic bass" you can feel in your body from a 5-inch woofers.

But you can try some EQ/bass boost.

A fart in space in terms of SPL before they give up plus of course they don't go that far down in frequency either.

A Wiim Mini plus automatic room correction RoomFit (which are included in Wiim's functions) can make it better, smoother FR that is. Although of course you can't conjure up higher SPL and lower bass (a little lower at the expense of SPL if it's sealed speaker boxes).

I measure the Wiim Mini's RoomFit with the cell phone's microphone. Works but not optimally. You can plug in a $44 microphone and the sweeps with the Wiim Mini will probably be better, more accurate.

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There are other EQ solutions. In TS's case, since he uses a laptop , perhaps APO EQ and REW measurement programs together with UMIK -1 are a better solution? Requires a little more knowledge to make it work though. WiiM RoomFit is just plug and play.

Consider adding a subwoofer.

The most reasonable thing to do.

 

[Roland68]

If make them vertical,
It will be like this, it's OK? (see the twitter)

It's not about leaving the speakers upright like this.
What happens to the bass when both speakers are positioned like this?

 

[DanielT]

Speaking of placement, since it was mentioned in the thread. Higher efficiency can be obtained with wall placement even more with corner placement. Potential to boost up this much:

By the way, the screenshot comes from an article with good tips and suggestions from Genelec regarding:

Monitor Placement - Genelec.com

To create the ideal listening experience, several aspects need to be taken into account when placing the monitors within the listening space. First, you need to identify the listening area within the space and consider where the listener will be placed in relation to the space as well as the...

www.genelec.com

I don't really like corner placement of speakers. I think the disadvantages outweigh the advantages, but that's an individual thing. Taste and preference plus different speakers and types of rooms come into play in that case.

By the way. Nothing new under the sun. In the old days with few watt amps, corner speakers were common. That way you saved money because amp watts were expensive at the time.

 

[Flaesh]

measurement microphone will solve the problem?

A diagnosis will help find a solution to the problem.
Even a simple multimedia microphone can be used with REW for useful measurements at low frequencies.

 

[DanielT]

A diagnosis will help find a solution to the problem.
Even a simple multimedia microphone can be used with REW for useful measurements at low frequencies.

Just for bass FR I tested a free app for frequency sweep and a free app to plot the curve in a graph last summer. Then I paid $7 for a PEQ app. It worked. Pretty rudimentary measurements but peaks and valleys of 10 dB even such a solution measured with a mobile microphone cannot miss. It became clearly better after PEQ was done.

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[Flaesh]

Years ago, kick drum recordings at my home didn't sound as they should (even though the speakers were anechoically flat down to 30 Hz). It can be said that there were no bass at 40-50 Hz. Then I eliminated the hole between the first and second length axial modes using acoustic methods (at the same time, the time domain was autocorrected by itself because absence of a most delayed energy), and it sounded normal.

 

[ChaoscripT]

It's not about leaving the speakers upright like this.
What happens to the bass when both speakers are positioned like this?

Nothing really changed,
Sounds the same.

 

[Roland68]

Nothing really changed,
Sounds the same.

Without the sponges underneath?
Then you unfortunately have a bigger problem, probably with the room.

 

[RickS]

Some good advice here from members and your efforts are a credit to ASR. Was alluded to earlier but why simply add a small subwoofer? All for measurements and understanding the problem, but if limited funds, might just jump right to buying a subwoofer with a decent return policy.

 

[ChaoscripT]

Without the sponges underneath?
Then you unfortunately have a bigger problem, probably with the space.

Yes, without the sponges.
They direct on the table.

You mean the space from the wall?

In other place that I lived year ago, I had a bigger table and speakers direct on the table, but this table was beside the wall and also the speakers,
There when I heared music the table was shake from the bass. It's not was these speakers, they was others (I think some Edifier)

Some good advice here from members and your efforts are a credit to ASR. Was alluded to earlier but why simply add a small subwoofer? All for measurements and understanding the problem, but if limited funds, might just jump right to buying a subwoofer with a decent return policy.

I assume subwoofer will solve the problem, but, I don't really wants to "shake" the room, just hear some bass/kicks which for now they sound "swallowed".
I don't know if from remote someone can solve the problem, but I sure that people can see problems that I don't see.

 

[RickS]

I assume subwoofer will solve the problem, but, I don't really wants to "shake" the room, just hear some bass/kicks which for now they sound "swallowed".
I don't know if from remote someone can solve the problem, but I sure that people can see problems that I don't see.

Keep trying if you prefer, but a subwoofer does not need to shake your room.

On a simpler note, have you tried a quick polarity swap in one channel?

 

[ChaoscripT]

On a simpler note, have you tried a quick polarity swap in one channel?

What do you mean ?

 

[RickS]

What do you mean ?

Sorry may not be easy and would likely screw up the center image, but the bass will change noticeably if you can find a way to have one speaker out of phase with the other. In a passive speaker system, would just swap positive and negative on the speaker. In your case, not as quick/simple as I suggested.