Lack of Bass With my Setup

[ChaoscripT]

Hi,
I have some setup with this gear,
DAC SMSL D6 connect with USB to docking station, docking station connect with Thunderbolt4 cable to computer, to the DAC there are 2 Presonus Eris E5 connected with TRS cables.
SMSL Driver installed and I set to 32 bit, 48 kHz bitrate.
The speakers sit on sponges and I try to tilt them up to my ear.
The speakers in far of 50cm from the wall behiend.

The music source is Youtube Premium and I also bought Tidal premium and I don't feel the difference in quality between them.

I've attached photos of my desktop table environment.

Regards.

 

[somebodyelse]

It's not clear what the problem is - in the title you say lack of bass, but in the post you talk about the lack of difference between YouTube Premium and Tidal Premium.

On hearing much difference between streaming providers, ideally you shouldn't. YouTube use a variety of codecs including good ones like AAC and Opus, and at bit rates high enough that most people will hear little or no difference between them and lossless (wav, FLAC). The people who can clearly hear the difference tend to have trained to identify them, or to have specific rare auditory conditions that make them hear differently to most people.

 

[ChaoscripT]

It's not clear what the problem is - in the title you say lack of bass, but in the post you talk about the lack of difference between YouTube Premium and Tidal Premium.

On hearing much difference between streaming providers, ideally you shouldn't. YouTube use a variety of codecs including good ones like AAC and Opus, and at bit rates high enough that most people will hear little or no difference between them and lossless (wav, FLAC). The people who can clearly hear the difference tend to have trained to identify them, or to have specific rare auditory conditions that make them hear differently to most people.

The problem is the bass.
I just mention that I try other source maybe this will solve the problem, maybe the Youtube quality is too low that some sounds/beats are dissappered due to low codecs.

Regards.

 

[staticV3]

The problem is the bass.
I just mention that I try other source maybe this will solve the problem, maybe the Youtube quality is too low that some sounds/beats are dissappered due to low codecs.

Regards.

Lossy codecs always sacrifice highs first. Beats are preserved even with strong compression.

 

[respice finem]

One very trivial cause is when you are sitting in a "bass hole".
Easy to test with an online tone generator, the typical "hole" may be around 60-100 Hz.

 

[wwenze]

All the notes are supposed to sound equally loud, tell us what problems did you hear

 

[NotInYourHead]

Looks like a small room and you are sitting right next to a wall. Hopefully the room doesn't have cube-like dimensions.

 

[DVDdoug]

Physics! You're simply not going to get "realistic bass" you can feel in your body from a 5-inch woofers.

But you can try some EQ/bass boost.

Consider adding a subwoofer. ...I have a pair of DIY 15-inch subs in large cabinets. You don't have to go THAT crazy but I'd say get a good one and I'd recommend at least 12-inches if you want to "shake the walls" But size isn't everything. There are lots of variables that go into speaker design and woofer size is only one of them. And when cabinet size is limited, a smaller woofer often goes lower

The music source is Youtube Premium and I also bought Tidal premium and I don't feel the difference in quality between them.

Good! You may not even need premium. The problems/limitations are rarely digital, and the electronics are rarely an issue as long as you have enough amplifier power.

It's "nice" to have lossless or high resolution but good-quality lossy compression can be very good and it's usually very hard to hear a difference, if you can hear a difference at all, in proper blind listening tests.

Regular YouTube may be unpredictable because you don't know or control what was uploaded or what lossy formats are used. But as staticV3 says, the lossy compression doesn't normally affect the bass.

 

[Flaesh]

I also bought

Maybe buy a measurement microphone? No?))

ps: I'm not ready to discuss the bass of the Eris 5 https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...s/presonus-e5-xt-active-speaker-review.13436/.
But this clip https://www.digido.com/portfolio-item/we-have-lift-off-now-in-surround/ plays quite funny on systems that have bass.

 

[somebodyelse]

ps: I'm not ready to discuss the bass of the Eris 5 https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...s/presonus-e5-xt-active-speaker-review.13436/.

That's a different version than the one shown in the photos - note the waveguide on the E5 XT but none in the photos. spinorama.org has a measurement for the E5 BT which doesn't have a waveguide either, but also doesn't have the front port shown, and has some controls on the front that aren't in the photos either. The BT and XT models have considerable differences in frequency response and directivity.

 

[ChaoscripT]

One very trivial cause is when you are sitting in a "bass hole".
Easy to test with an online tone generator, the typical "hole" may be around 60-100 Hz.

In my last thread,
Here - https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...ds/after-replace-speakers-lack-of-bass.58085/

When I play music and get out the room I hear the bass, but when I sit I don't here the bass.
In the last thread there are other speakers which I change to my current one.
But now I feel the same problem, "bass hole" - this is what it's meant? this is the "problem"?

All the notes are supposed to sound equally loud, tell us what problems did you hear

In 55Hz I don't hear anymore.
But if I vol up then I can hear until 32Hz (something like that).

Usually I hear with the DAC on ~10 vol, but if for example I vol up to 19 in the DAC, then I can hear until 32Hz+-.

Looks like a small room and you are sitting right next to a wall. Hopefully the room doesn't have cube-like dimensions.

It's not big room yeah, I sitting next to the wall, but behind the computer there is other wall as well.

Physics! You're simply not going to get "realistic bass" you can feel in your body from a 5-inch woofers.

But you can try some EQ/bass boost.

Consider adding a subwoofer. ...I have a pair of DIY 15-inch subs in large cabinets. You don't have to go THAT crazy but I'd say get a good one and I'd recommend at least 12-inches if you want to "shake the walls" But size isn't everything. There are lots of variables that go into speaker design and woofer size is only one of them. And when cabinet size is limited, a smaller woofer often goes lower


Good! You may not even need premium. The problems/limitations are rarely digital, and the electronics are rarely an issue as long as you have enough amplifier power.

It's "nice" to have lossless or high resolution but good-quality lossy compression can be very good and it's usually very hard to hear a difference, if you can hear a difference at all, in proper blind listening tests.

Regular YouTube may be unpredictable because you don't know or control what was uploaded or what lossy formats are used. But as staticV3 says, the lossy compression doesn't normally affect the bass.

It's the bedroom with small house, then subwoofer currently ins't an option, or my wife will kick me out

How I can make some EQ/bass boost?

I will cancel the Tidal premium after I understand that the source isn't the problem.

Maybe buy a measurement microphone? No?))

ps: I'm not ready to discuss the bass of the Eris 5 https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...s/presonus-e5-xt-active-speaker-review.13436/.
But this clip https://www.digido.com/portfolio-item/we-have-lift-off-now-in-surround/ plays quite funny on systems that have bass.

measurement microphone will solve the problem?

The XT version is not my version.

 

[respice finem]

Probably, but impossible to tell for sure "remotely" and without proper measurements.

 

[ChaoscripT]

Probably, but impossible to tell for sure "remotely" and without proper measurements.

Yes for sure.

There is some way how I can "fix" it?

 

[respice finem]

I'm afraid not..

 

[Roland68]

The problem is the bass.
I just mention that I try other source maybe this will solve the problem, maybe the Youtube quality is too low that some sounds/beats are dissappered due to low codecs.

Regards.

It's not your sources.
Please remove the sponges from under your speakers and place them vertically, not horizontally, on the table.
Does that change the bass?

 

[ChaoscripT]

It's not your sources.
Please remove the sponges from under your speakers and place them vertically, not horizontally, on the table.
Does that change the bass?

If I place them vertically, I think the twitter covered by the monitor.

 

[Oddball]

You can fix it with bigger speakers (and raising your monitors), but then how close you can go without your wife kicking you out is only what you know. Headphones?

 

[Roland68]

If I place them vertically, I think the twitter covered by the monitor.

You should just try it out and see if it changes your bass issue. It was just a suggestion to narrow down the problem.
It takes about two minutes to try it out, but no one's forcing you to.

 

[ChaoscripT]

You can fix it with bigger speakers (and raising your monitors), but then how close you can go without your wife kicking you out is only what you know. Headphones?

More bigger then that ?
The table is small (and also the room),
The monitors are very high.

I try to get my best with what I have

 

[Good Vibes]

One of the more difficult lessons I have learned since engulfing on this Hifi curse hobby, is room modes. I went through 3 pairs of speakers before I finally realised that the reason I wasn’t getting any mid-bass punch, was to do with my room, my listening position and the position of the speakers.

When you move the speakers closer or further from the wall, you will notice a difference. If you walk around the room, do you hear more bass in any location? Can you move your MLP?

There is a free app called house curve which although probably far from precise when using your phones microphone, can help you get an idea of what room peaks and nulls are affecting the bass in various positions.