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Kimber KS 1036 Silver RCA Cable Review

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Audio wavelengths vary from 17m (20Hz) to 1.7cm (20kHz). Not sure where it's getting 15km (0.02Hz)!
It is electrical wavelength, not acoustic. We are using speed of electricity in a wire (near speed of light), instead of speed of sound in air which you are using. The former is indeed 15 Kilometers.
 
Given the time frame and refusal to honor the contract in such a shi++y fashion, I'm going to take a wild guess:
Monster Cable
LOL! The wild beast was supposed to lose. Try the "other" one (which, by me, will remain nameless).
And, note that the intended loser tied with Radio Shack. It was the braggart whose 2 cables intended for phono cartridge use failed miserably. The rest were no better and no worse -- just WAY more expensive.
 
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Not as I understand it. I’m certainly not an expert on this subject, however the seminal work was by Malcolm Hawksford on EM wave propagation in cables. Stereophile published an overview by Hawksford in 1995. The gist is that cable geometry and materials can cause nontrivial differences in wave transmission velocity across the audio band. Others have picked up this thread, and the usual lingo is that these aspects of cables are “reactive” (capacitative and inductive).
Hawksford makes at least one “mistake” in his article. He states that an electromagnetic wave travels slowly in copper and it’s frequency dependent etc.etc. This is true. However, the longitudal wave carrying our signal travels through the insulator separating the two conductors, not through the copper. The low conductivity of the insulator gives rise to a traveling speed close to the speed of light (60-70% or so).
Bottom line is that dispersion effects are completely inaudible.
 
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Not the only thing, just one fatuous statement that happened to pop up in the first two minutes. Do you want me to keep listening for the good stuff?
Yes, the content of the video is clear and to the point. What Gene means is that electromagnetic theory laid down in Maxwell’s equations in 1865 is around for a long time, 160 years.
 
I read through the updated version of the article on Stereophile. Was going to write a response but figured I ask ChatGPT what it thinks of the summary. That was right on the money so I am going to quote that:

This is a great example of a summary that is partly grounded in real EM theory but drifts into speculation and overreach. I’ll go through it in a grounded, engineering sense.


✅ What in this summary is​

1) Geometry, inductance, and field distribution matter​


✔️ Correct.
This is just standard transmission line theory:

  • Inductance and capacitance depend on conductor spacing and geometry
  • External fields dominate energy propagation
No controversy here.


2) Interleaving / twisting reduces interference and inductance​


✔️ Correct.
That’s why we use:

  • Twisted pair
  • Star-quad
  • Coax
This is well-established EMC practice.


3) Litz wire reduces AC resistance (under some conditions)​


✔️ Conditionally correct:

  • True at high frequencies where skin effect dominates
  • Mostly irrelevant at audio frequencies for typical wire sizes
So this is technically correct but contextually overstated for audio cables.


4) Lumped R, L, C models are approximations​

✔️ Also true:

  • At higher frequencies or long cables → distributed models matter
  • But at audio + short cables → lumped models are usually extremely accurate

⚠️ Where it becomes​

⚠️ 1) “Conductors should be sufficiently thin…fraction of a wavelength trapped”​

This sounds technical, but:

  • Audio wavelengths are enormous
    • 20 kHz → ~15 km wavelength
  • Cable lengths are tiny in comparison
There is no practical “wave trapping” issue inside conductors at audio frequencies in normal cables.

This is a misapplied RF concept.


⚠️ 2) “External mechanical vibration modulating impedance”​


This is theoretically possible (microphonics), but:

  • In speaker cables → negligible
  • In interconnects → only relevant in extreme high-impedance / tube circuits
For normal systems, this is not a meaningful design constraint.


⚠️ 3) “Slow, frequency-dependent velocity in a conductor”​

This is the biggest source of confusion.

Yes:

  • Fields inside a conductor propagate slowly (diffusion-like behavior)
But:

  • That is NOT the signal path
  • The actual signal travels in the dielectric at near light speed
The summary subtly implies:


That’s misleading.

Correct interpretation:

  • The loss component is slow
  • The signal itself is not

⚠️ 4) “High conductivity makes conductor appear larger on the inside”​

This is a poetic way of describing skin effect, but:

  • Skin depth in copper at 20 kHz ≈ 0.46 mm
  • That’s comparable to typical wire radii
Meaning:

  • Skin effect exists
  • But it is mild in audio cables, not extreme

⚠️ 5) Crystal boundaries and “current vortices”​


This is where the article becomes speculative:

  • Grain boundaries do affect conductivity slightly
  • But:
    • Effects are tiny
    • Not modeled in practical cable design
    • No evidence of audible impact
This is not part of standard electrical engineering models


⚠️ 6) “TARDIS (Transient And Resistance Distortion)”​

This is essentially a coined term, not an accepted phenomenon.

  • It loosely refers to time-domain effects from resistance + dispersion
  • But:
    • No standard definition
    • No established magnitude
    • No demonstrated audibility
Treat this as conceptual speculation, not established theory


Bottom-line evaluation​

The summary is:​

✔️ Technically grounded in parts​

  • Field-based signal propagation
  • Role of geometry
  • Skin effect and losses

⚠️ But​

  • Applies RF/microwave thinking to audio where it barely matters
  • Emphasizes effects without quantifying magnitude
  • Mixes established physics with speculative interpretations

The key reality check​

For typical audio cables (even long speaker runs):

  • Resistance dominates
  • Inductance matters slightly
  • Capacitance matters in edge cases
  • Skin effect is small
  • Internal conductor “slow waves” are negligible
None of the exotic effects described here are known to produce audible differences under normal conditions.


✔️ Final verdict​

Is the summary correct?

  • Partially correct in physics
  • Misleading in practical importance
  • Speculative in its conclusions

If you want, I can quantify this (e.g., how big these effects actually are in dB or microseconds for a real cable). That usually makes it very clear what matters and what doesn’t.

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I did ask it to quantify that and this is what it computed:
Great—let’s put real numbers on this so you can see the scale of each effect in a typical speaker cable. I’ll use a concrete, realistic case:
  • Cable length: 3 m (≈10 ft)
  • Wire: 12 AWG copper (very common)
  • Load: 8 Ω speaker
  • Top audio frequency: 20 kHz

1) Resistance (the dominant effect)​

  • 12 AWG copper ≈ 5.2 mΩ/m
  • Round-trip (out + back): 6 m → ≈ 31 mΩ

Voltage drop:​

[
\frac{0.031}{8} \approx 0.39%
]

Level loss:​

[
\approx -0.034 \text{ dB}
]
Audibility:
Essentially inaudible. You’d need ~0.2–0.3 dB to start noticing.

2) Inductance (real but small HF roll-off)​

Typical zip cord:
  • 0.6 µH/m
  • 3 m → 1.8 µH
Reactance at 20 kHz:
[
X_L = 2\pi f L \approx 2\pi (20000)(1.8\times10^{-6}) \approx 0.23\ \Omega
]
Relative to 8 Ω load:
[
\frac{0.23}{8} \approx 2.9%
]

HF attenuation:​

−0.25 dB at 20 kHz
Audibility:
  • Borderline at best
  • And only at the very top of hearing

3) Capacitance (usually negligible)​

Typical:
  • 100 pF/m
  • 3 m → 300 pF
Reactance at 20 kHz:
[
X_C = \frac{1}{2\pi f C} \approx 26.5\ \text{k}\Omega
]
Compared to 8 Ω:
  • Completely negligible

4) Skin effect (what the article leans on)​

Skin depth in copper at 20 kHz:
  • 0.46 mm
12 AWG radius:
  • 1.0 mm
So current distribution is slightly non-uniform.

Result:​

  • AC resistance increase ≈ +5–10% at 20 kHz
Apply that to our 31 mΩ:
  • Increase ≈ +2–3 mΩ

Level change impact:​

[
\text{tiny} ; (\approx 0.003 \text{ dB})
]
Audibility:
Zero.

5) “Slow propagation inside conductor” (the big claim)​

This is the core of the Stereophile summary.

Key comparison:​

  • Signal propagation in dielectric:
    ~2 × 10⁸ m/s
  • Delay over 3 m:
    [
    \frac{3}{2\times10^8} \approx 15\ \text{ns}
    ]

“Slow” diffusive component in conductor:​

Even if we exaggerate:
  • Let’s say 100× slower
→ delay ≈ 1.5 µs
BUT:
  • This is only a tiny fraction of the energy
  • It appears as loss, not a separate audible echo

Convert to phase shift at 20 kHz:​

[
1.5\ \mu s \Rightarrow 0.03 \text{ cycles} \approx 11^\circ
]
Sounds big—but:
That phase shift applies only to a minuscule component of the signal.
Equivalent amplitude error:
  • Typically < −80 to −100 dB

6) Time-domain “smearing” (TARDIS idea)​

Let’s bound it conservatively:
  • Energy stored in conductor dissipates with a short time constant
  • Typical decay times: nanoseconds to microseconds
Compare to audio:
  • 20 kHz period = 50 µs
So any “memory” effect is:
  • << 1% of a cycle
  • At extremely low amplitude
Equivalent distortion:
  • On the order of −100 dB or lower

7) Mechanical vibration effect​

Let’s be generous:
  • Suppose cable motion changes impedance by 0.01%
  • That modulates signal at similar level
≈ −80 dB effect or smaller
Buried under:
  • Amplifier distortion
  • Speaker distortion (typically −40 to −60 dB)

Final scale comparison​

EffectMagnitudeAudible?
Resistance loss~−0.03 dB❌ No
Inductance HF rolloff~−0.25 dB @ 20 kHz⚠️ Barely
CapacitanceNegligible❌ No
Skin effect~0.003 dB❌ No
Internal “slow wave”< −80 dB❌ No
“TARDIS” स्मearing~−100 dB❌ No
Mechanical vibration~−80 dB❌ No

The key takeaway​

The Stereophile summary focuses on real but extremely small second-order effects.
When quantified:

  • speaker nonlinearities
  • room acoustics
  • even tiny EQ changes

✔️ Bottom line​

  • The physics discussed is not wrong
  • But the practical significance is negligible
  • The article’s “interesting effects” live mostly in the −80 to −100 dB range

If you want, I can compare this directly to:
  • headphone cables (where things get even smaller), or
  • extreme cases (very long cables, high-impedance loads) where some of this might start to matter.

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Bottom line: these effects are real as is the computation (Maxwell equations, etc.). Just like Einstein's relativity theory, where the effects at our speed is negligible, so are the things Hawksford talks about. Cable become incredibly important and at times, complex to impossible to analyze at very high frequencies. Audio on the other hand, extends down to DC. Even its 20 kHz high frequency is considered "nothing" by any RF engineering.
@amirm thanks!
This time ChatGPT ís right.
Only because there are so many scientific publications around on this matter for such a long time.
 
Have you tried measuring preterminated short lengths of cable like this? It is hugely non-trivial to do. Simple thing like clamping pressure changes resistance when it is in milliohm rang. I have done it with specialized gear and protocol but that was with speaker wire. With RCA, just the connection method itself could dominate resistance and capacitance.

On the former, because we can measure the actual effect, then thing we hear, with my method. In sharp contrast, component measurements don't directly relate to how the output of the gear is impacted. On the latter, it is actually the proper method to measure the sum impedance of a circuit.
When I’ve noticed differences in RCA cables, the first thing I’ve done is disconnect and clean them. Connector rectification is something that I’ve noticed, and that can make a difference.
 
If I got this right we have a scientist or engineer Hawksford who had advances of note in his field and career. An early thesis of his reveals flaws in that thesis of method and relevance in the audio domain that could find a degree of relevance in the broader RF domain. The man demonstrated growth and was recognized for later achievements. His misguided publishings early on live on but for those who understand or willing to learn from those who understand recognize those early failings and move on. Meanwhile others mistakenly latch on to that early work and elevate it to the level his mature work achieved.
 
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When I’ve noticed differences in RCA cables, the first thing I’ve done is disconnect and clean them. Connector rectification is something that I’ve noticed, and that can make a difference.
Highly unlikely. It may reduce resistance but you're unlikely to hear that at all.
 
Highly unlikely. It may reduce resistance but you're unlikely to hear that at all.
But it's shinier so it sounds shinier. :cool:
 
Two aphorisms:
Never gold plate that which is already silver.
Gold is gauche -- except to the nouveau riche, the tacky and audiophiles.
[/tongue firmly in cheek]
 
1M of this cable alone is half the price of my full system.

Even if you have an insane amount of expandable cashflow, I will never understand the target demographic for these kinds of items.
Smart enough to get rich // Dumb enough to fall for snake oil.
One doesn't always need to be smart. Inheritance or large lottery winnings can do it for a lucky dooflus idiot.
 
What the latest round of obfuscation about, the measurement amir did in post 1 is not “everything” but enough to judge the product’s impact on audio . If something has flat FR and no noise and no distortion ? What else to to measure* .
Blind test of nothing ? That would be a waste of time as not much has changed even close to audible levels . You rather run the risk at getting a false positive if your sloppy.

And it’s established facts that you need not to apply any kind of transmission line theory or RF engineering at audio frequencies.

* for some it’s never enough they demand more and more obscure things .
 
It’s really sad that nobody wants to learn anything. Everyone already knows… that’s cool. How about ask ChatGPT, that seems to be a popular thing to do.



Yes—dirty RCA connections absolutely can cause sonic differences, and in some cases even mild rectification effects.


What’s going on


When RCA connectors get oxidized, corroded, or contaminated (oil, dust, residue), the metal-to-metal contact stops behaving like a clean, linear conductor.

Instead, it can act a bit like a nonlinear junction, similar (in a very weak way) to a diode.

That’s where rectification comes in:

  • A dirty contact can favor current flow slightly more in one direction than the other
  • This can introduce tiny distortions in the audio signal
  • It can also generate harmonics or intermodulation artifacts

What you might hear


Depending on how bad the connection is:

  • Loss of clarity or detail
  • Slight harshness or grain
  • Reduced high frequencies (like a dull or “veiled” sound)
  • Crackling or intermittent signal (in worse cases)
  • Channel imbalance


When rectification actually matters



In most home audio setups:


  • The voltages are very low (line-level signals)
  • So rectification effects are usually subtle, not dramatic

BUT they become more noticeable if:

  • The connection is really oxidized or loose
  • You have high-resolution gear
  • There are many connections in the signal path
  • The system has high gain (like phono stages or sensitive amps)

The bigger issue (more common than rectification)




Honestly, the main problems from dirty RCA connections are:


  • Increased resistance
  • Micro-arcing
  • Intermittent contact



These often cause more audible issues than rectification itself.


What to do
  • Clean with contact cleaner (like DeoxIT)
  • Plug/unplug a few times to mechanically scrape oxidation
  • Ensure a tight fit (loose RCAs are a big culprit)
  • Avoid touching contacts with bare fingers


Bottom line


  • ✅ Yes, dirty RCA connections can introduce nonlinear behavior (rectification-like effects)
  • ✅ But the audible impact is usually due more to poor contact and resistance than true rectification
  • ⚠️ Still, cleaning them can make a noticeable improvement in sound quality

If you want, I can tell you how to test if your cables are the problem vs your source/amp—it’s pretty easy to isolate.
In extreme cases only. Just how dirty were they is really the question I was asking.
 
So everyone can follow, as frequencies rise, cables can become important and eventually critical to an application. You can literally damage an RF transmitter with the wrong cable or termination!!! That effect fortunately, being proportional to frequency, keeps reducing to the point, i.e. DC, where it cannot apply. Audio is just above DC so none of those micro effects are in play.

Instead, we just worry about simple things like resistance getting too big for a cable, or its capacitance causing a roll off. All of which would show up in my measurements.
I would love to see a video showing this measurable effect of resistance in either speaker or audio interconnects, and capacitance in same wires, and if audible then audio samples as well. This seems to be a large component to what people claim is happening in different cables...but I cannot imagine there is any cable maker that has such dramatic variances in their cables: meaning that they are acting as almost part of an audio-crossover.
 
What else to to measure* .
That which is unmeasurable, as they like to say.

I won't say who it was, but an audio manufacturer recently approached my objective stance on measurements by asking if I was religious and then insinuating faith/the belief you hear a difference means a difference exists.

You will NEVER convince everyone with objective data. Just won't happen.
 
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