Is there a good measuring wall mount speaker yet?
Is there a good measuring wall mount speaker yet?
They're actually over 10 years old, and I don't get the impression that they did, particularly. I'm not sure the market is really there. If you care enough about sound to be in the market for a real subwoofer+satellite set to connect to an A/V receiver, you're probably not going to accept the inherent compromise in this ultra-thin design.Now, they may still sell well.
that hole is there for the TV to pick up the slack and fill up that dip...What were they thinking? Crossover with a hole in it?
Revel C10 (in particular mounted vertically)/M10, Revel M55XC, M80XC. JBL Control X, Focal Chorus OD 706 V... I'm sure I missed some.Is there a good measuring wall mount speaker yet?
Are they angled toward LP or just flat against the wall/ceiling?I've used 8 of these speakers as surround in an ATMOS setup attached directly to the walls and ceilings and, paired with a CX-A5200 and proper front/center/subs, they sound phenomenal. I wouldn't use them as fronts, but they'd probably be OK paired with a sub. I have KEF Ref 1s for the fronts and proper subs, as required for these speakers. See attached images of tuning/room correction for a few speakers through the Yamaha.
You can see the Yamaha picks up on the 2k dip (the peaks in each picture) and corrects for the back left. The left and right surrounds don't need this as much but there's a small correction. There's a peak around 300Hz in the response that gets corrected for most of these speakers (the first dip in each picture). Due to varying placements near walls and corners they all have slightly different curves. I would recommend using room correction for any home theater setup and I doubt KEF expects users of these speakers (at these price points) to not use room correction.
I question the reviewers use of a TV as a nearby wall for testing, and refusal to properly mount them. I can't take any of these measurements seriously if he can't be bothered to mount them correctly.
The TV surface is highly reflective vs drywall material and also very resonant. Not having the speakers bolted to a solid surface probably impacts the response as well. Using a stand instead of the proper wall mount is also not ideal. These are wall mount speakers. You can use a KEF Stand, but obviously that's not the primary intended use case and a proper review and measurement should respect this.
I'd like the reviewer to mount these to a typical room position on drywall and re-measure. Anything less isn't a proper measurement. See Sound and Vision's response curves for the T301 speakers attached. They had a positive review of the T301 series (same speakers with 2 woofers each) and my experience with the T101s being crystal clear agrees. I've yet to have someone over who wasn't blown away at the sound of this system.
Not yet measured but I'm curious about these...Is there a good measuring wall mount speaker yet?
A few thoughts..I've used 8 of these speakers as surround in an ATMOS setup attached directly to the walls and ceilings and, paired with a CX-A5200 and proper front/center/subs, they sound phenomenal. I wouldn't use them as fronts, but they'd probably be OK paired with a sub. I have KEF Ref 1s for the fronts and proper subs, as required for these speakers. See attached images of tuning/room correction for a few speakers through the Yamaha.
You can see the Yamaha picks up on the 2k dip (the peaks in each picture) and corrects for the back left. The left and right surrounds don't need this as much but there's a small correction. There's a peak around 300Hz in the response that gets corrected for most of these speakers (the first dip in each picture). Due to varying placements near walls and corners they all have slightly different curves. I would recommend using room correction for any home theater setup and I doubt KEF expects users of these speakers (at these price points) to not use room correction.
I question the reviewers use of a TV as a nearby wall for testing, and refusal to properly mount them. I can't take any of these measurements seriously if he can't be bothered to mount them correctly.
The TV surface is highly reflective vs drywall material and also very resonant. Not having the speakers bolted to a solid surface probably impacts the response as well. Using a stand instead of the proper wall mount is also not ideal. These are wall mount speakers. You can use a KEF Stand, but obviously that's not the primary intended use case and a proper review and measurement should respect this.
I'd like the reviewer to mount these to a typical room position on drywall and re-measure. Anything less isn't a proper measurement. See Sound and Vision's response curves for the T301 speakers attached. They had a positive review of the T301 series (same speakers with 2 woofers each) and my experience with the T101s being crystal clear agrees. I've yet to have someone over who wasn't blown away at the sound of this system.
Minimalist design is not compatible with good sound. I will stick big center and floorstanders in my living room sans grills for the sound. I will choose monitor stand that allows 10 or 12 inch 3 way center placement. I will not install monitor in location that does not allow such placement.I love this new trend for thin/small/tiny speakers and other components...plus sonos, soundbars etc... I suspect it is often because folks are harassed into changing to gear that fits better with furniture, less obtrusive or whatever.
For me, it means that there are often very good deals available on full sized Good quality components, at great prices second hand. (Plus, if you don't need a phono preamp, those vintage integrated amps fetch big sums to this young generation of bearded hipsters who just discovered vinyl a few years back.)
Win win. Thanks KEF!
Why would you measure a Bose under any circumstances?Depends on how you define broken. We have seen many speakers, some orders of magnitude costlier than these that has similar FR anomalies.
I am not being their advocate. I am simply pointing to the fact that those speakers were never intended to be used in an anechoic way without their stands and matching subwoofers. They are not measured the way they are advertised or instructed in the user manual. That is not fair reflection of them.
Will you measure a Bose satellite speaker by itself, without their subwoofer?
Might as well use magnepan mmg w to "blow away" your guests.I've used 8 of these speakers as surround in an ATMOS setup attached directly to the walls and ceilings and, paired with a CX-A5200 and proper front/center/subs, they sound phenomenal. I wouldn't use them as fronts, but they'd probably be OK paired with a sub. I have KEF Ref 1s for the fronts and proper subs, as required for these speakers. See attached images of tuning/room correction for a few speakers through the Yamaha.
You can see the Yamaha picks up on the 2k dip (the peaks in each picture) and corrects for the back left. The left and right surrounds don't need this as much but there's a small correction. There's a peak around 300Hz in the response that gets corrected for most of these speakers (the first dip in each picture). Due to varying placements near walls and corners they all have slightly different curves. I would recommend using room correction for any home theater setup and I doubt KEF expects users of these speakers (at these price points) to not use room correction.
I question the reviewers use of a TV as a nearby wall for testing, and refusal to properly mount them. I can't take any of these measurements seriously if he can't be bothered to mount them correctly.
The TV surface is highly reflective vs drywall material and also very resonant. Not having the speakers bolted to a solid surface probably impacts the response as well. Using a stand instead of the proper wall mount is also not ideal. These are wall mount speakers. You can use a KEF Stand, but obviously that's not the primary intended use case and a proper review and measurement should respect this.
I'd like the reviewer to mount these to a typical room position on drywall and re-measure. Anything less isn't a proper measurement. See Sound and Vision's response curves for the T301 speakers attached. They had a positive review of the T301 series (same speakers with 2 woofers each) and my experience with the T101s being crystal clear agrees. I've yet to have someone over who wasn't blown away at the sound of this system.
What was Amir supposed to do? Not perform the measurements? After the member sent it in?I agree that may be the case for Joe Public but we are talking about someone who is operating a complex acoustical measuring equipment. I expected such a person would have understood what is implied. Not to mention notice the word "satellite" right in the name.
That, I must say, is rather a good question...Btw who were the 3 who voted "golfing panther"?
If it is sold by itself, yes. If it always comes with a sub, then no. Indeed I have refused to accept many speakers that come with mandatory subs as getting them strung together for testing is hard.Will you measure a Bose satellite speaker by itself, without their subwoofer?
Given the negative scores we are getting with some speakers, we should convert the range by adding 2 to every response. That would then bring us to a 0 to 10 rating again. So a speaker getting a score of 6 is really 8.Score -1.6 ... with EQ 0.3