Kef R Meta Series Release

[dogmamann]

No, not me. But if we do the kind of conclusions you do, they are doing a useless job.

We doenst include you?

 

[MattHooper]

We need to talk about meta here.

Agreed. I'll just finish with this reply..

Therefore let’s once again conclude that subjective reviews are useless because the sound they hear depends on their hearing abitility and the room acoustics and the music they choose.

No "we" won't conclude that. You can. Some of us disagree and we've already explained why.

These three things won’t be same for all the listeners, hence an opinion of this particular combination is bullshit unless the listener has exactly the same three things. Let’s talk R META.

No, that's just exaggerating. Audiophiles have been successfully communicating information about how products sound to each other, helping each other make purchases, for decades. For instance, I have gone in to detail on other forums with my listening notes for speakers I own. Some others reading those have felt that was the type of sound they were looking for, so they sought out the same speakers and reported they sounded just as I described. A number of them made purchases of those speakers, ecstatic that they found just what they'd been looking for...because another audiophile could indicate their strengths and weaknesses fairly accurately.

Sorry...it really isn't as hopeless as you have concluded.

Audio memory is not that good , when a reviewer compares to speakers that are not even there in the room , you know there’s a problem usually comparing to something they had 6 months ago...

Audio memory is poor for subtle differences, but not as bad for more distinct differences. That's why we generally can recognize a well known voice on the phone even if we haven't talked for quite a while. It's not "who is this, Donald Trump?" Oh...sorry Mom...yeah I haven't phoned..."

I have long owned several pairs of speakers at once. I don't forget how any of them sound. I can describe the sound of each one (including just about any speaker I've owned over the decades). I just put my Joseph speakers in my system for the first time in about a year (I'd been using my Thiels). They sound exactly as I knew them to sound. No surprises - the bass, mids, highs, imaging etc - all differed from the Thiels in exactly the way I remembered. I could have easily compared the sound of the Thiels to the sound I knew from the Josephs even after a year.

Have you ever owned more than one speaker? If so, do you truly totally forget the characteristics of each and how they differ? Like "why did I buy that speaker again...?"

BTW, if audio memory were truly that poor, I couldn't do my job. I've acquired and recorded (and continue to do so) a very large sound library for my work in sound editing. Lots of it is in my memory (and the more times I've used a sound, the easier it is to recall - and I recognize common sound library sounds when watching movies all the time - "I know that door creak..."). When on a job, when faced with an effect I need to cover, I will still recall many of the specific sounds I gathered months ago "I have just the sound for that." In fact I can recall many of the sounds I have used for all sorts of films over decades. Earlier today I called up some sounds I remembered creating for a show around 2007 (A certain whooshing texture, and some ghostly vocals with a particular reverb). The sound was just as I recalled it and fit what I needed to cover. I do this all the time.

So, yes, audio memory can be fickle, especially if we are trying to detect subtle differences. But larger differences can be committed to memory pretty well (or tons of people who work in sound - music production/TV/Film production etc - wouldn't be able to work efficiently). I have no trouble believing that some reveiwers can still remember the sound of speakers they reviewed 6 months ago to at least give some broad stroke distinctions between another speaker they are currently reviewing.

You can ofcourse remember if you enjoyed listening to music trough them as I do remember fun times with the speakers I had years ago . But I can not describe their sound in detail.

Ok. I can, though. I know exactly what sonic characteristics I liked about every speaker I've owned - why I bought them in the first place - and exactly where I found them lacking (hence why I may have moved on to the next speakers). So can other audiophiles and at least some reviewers I believe.

Back to the KEF...

 

[dogmamann]

Agreed. I'll just finish with this reply..



No "we" won't conclude that. You can. Some of us disagree and we've already explained why.



No, that's just exaggerating. Audiophiles have been successfully communicating information about how products sound to each other, helping each other make purchases, for decades. For instance, I have gone in to detail on other forums with my listening notes for speakers I own. Some others reading those have felt that was the type of sound they were looking for, so they sought out the same speakers and reported they sounded just as I described. A number of them made purchases of those speakers, ecstatic that they found just what they'd been looking for...because another audiophile could indicate their strengths and weaknesses fairly accurately.

Sorry...it really isn't as hopeless as you have concluded.



Audio memory is poor for subtle differences, but not as bad for more distinct differences. That's why we generally can recognize a well known voice on the phone even if we haven't talked for quite a while. It's not "who is this, Donald Trump?" Oh...sorry Mom...yeah I haven't phoned..."

I have long owned several pairs of speakers at once. I don't forget how any of them sound. I can describe the sound of each one (including just about any speaker I've owned over the decades). I just put my Joseph speakers in my system for the first time in about a year (I'd been using my Thiels). They sound exactly as I knew them to sound. No surprises - the bass, mids, highs, imaging etc - all differed from the Thiels in exactly the way I remembered. I could have easily compared the sound of the Thiels to the sound I knew from the Josephs even after a year.

Have you ever owned more than one speaker? If so, do you truly totally forget the characteristics of each and how they differ? Like "why did I buy that speaker again...?"

BTW, if audio memory were truly that poor, I couldn't do my job. I've acquired and recorded (and continue to do so) a very large sound library for my work in sound editing. Lots of it is in my memory (and the more times I've used a sound, the easier it is to recall - and I recognize common sound library sounds when watching movies all the time - "I know that door creak..."). When on a job, when faced with an effect I need to cover, I will still recall many of the specific sounds I gathered months ago "I have just the sound for that." In fact I can recall many of the sounds I have used for all sorts of films over decades. Earlier today I called up some sounds I remembered creating for a show around 2007 (A certain whooshing texture, and some ghostly vocals with a particular reverb). The sound was just as I recalled it and fit what I needed to cover. I do this all the time.

So, yes, audio memory can be fickle, especially if we are trying to detect subtle differences. But larger differences can be committed to memory pretty well (or tons of people who work in sound - music production/TV/Film production etc - wouldn't be able to work efficiently). I have no trouble believing that some reveiwers can still remember the sound of speakers they reviewed 6 months ago to at least give some broad stroke distinctions between another speaker they are currently reviewing.



Ok. I can, though. I know exactly what sonic characteristics I liked about every speaker I've owned - why I bought them in the first place - and exactly where I found them lacking (hence why I may have moved on to the next speakers). So can other audiophiles and at least some reviewers I believe.

Back to the KEF...

I see no reason for such a long butthurt reply unless you are associated with or you yourself are doing idiotic impression reviews somewhere. If that’s the case I understand the pain, but those kind of dumb impressions have no place in this website ! Now back to KEF!

 

[HarmonicTHD]

Just a suggestion: you both could stop the pissing contest and just open a separate thread to discuss further.

 

[dogmamann]

Just a suggestion: you both could stop the pissing contest and just open a separate thread to discuss further.

I stopped, that guy should not now reply!

 

[HarmonicTHD]

I stopped, that guy should not now reply!

Sure. It is always the “other guy” so you can have the last word - not really mature. And what is so hard about opening a new thread.

I leave you to it.

 

[abdo123]

I see no reason for such a long butthurt reply unless you are associated with or you yourself are doing idiotic impression reviews somewhere. If that’s the case I understand the pain, but those kind of dumb impressions have no place in this website ! Now back to KEF!

You don’t get to say what has and hasn’t a place on this website.

This is not a cult, it’s not just members that have Klippel NFS that can share their opinions.

Even Amir shares his impressions all the time and bases his recommendations on them.

May i remind everyone that the original KEF R3 was NOT recommended here?

 

[Zvu]

Ignore button is a bliss.

 

[thewas]

May i remind everyone that the original KEF R3 was NOT recommended here?

Initially but that was just because of a room mode, he later corrected his review:

EDIT: later testing showed that the room mode at about 105 Hz was impacting the tonality of the speaker. Once I filtered that, the sound was very good. I have since made this part of the protocol.

 

[Adi777]

Audio memory is not that good , when a reviewer compares to speakers that are not even there in the room , you know there’s a problem usually comparing to something they had 6 months ago...

You can ofcourse remember if you enjoyed listening to music trough them as I do remember fun times with the speakers I had years ago . But I can not describe their sound in detail.

I think, that a lot of people - not only audiophiles - confuses auditory memory with remembering a sound from, say, a few months ago. Sure, we will remember the X speakers as playing, for example, a clear, neutral sound, or with some problem in the high frequencies, but that's not what memory is about. As far as I know, auditory memory lasts about a few seconds.

 

[Uniqued]

How will the r7 meta stands against reference 1 meta? For movies and music.
Considering upgrades from og ls50.
I will use it with a avr. (Maybe a more advanced one in the future).
I have DB1D as well.


It’s around 5400$ against 7500$-8000$ where I live.

So,
After 5 years with the great ls50, My new KEF reference 1 META with S-RF1 stands were delivered today.

I have DB1D and it's off at the moment for 2ch listening.

Outstanding.

 

[Kachda]

So,
After 5 years with the great ls50, My new KEF reference 1 META with S-RF1 stands were delivered today.

I have DB1D and it's off at the moment for 2ch listening.

Outstanding.

Gorgeous

 

[MattHooper]

So,
After 5 years with the great ls50, My new KEF reference 1 META with S-RF1 stands were delivered today.

I have DB1D and it's off at the moment for 2ch listening.

Outstanding.

Those are very fine looking speakers!

I appreciate when a company pays attention to aesthetics. Nothing wrong with some pride of ownership.

 

[Talisman]

So,
After 5 years with the great ls50, My new KEF reference 1 META with S-RF1 stands were delivered today.

I have DB1D and it's off at the moment for 2ch listening.

Outstanding.

These speakers are so beautiful, that I would have such an intense listening bias that if a bluetooth speaker was playing behind them and I didn't know it, it would sound like angels singing

 

[Descartes]

So,
After 5 years with the great ls50, My new KEF reference 1 META with S-RF1 stands were delivered today.

I have DB1D and it's off at the moment for 2ch listening.

Outstanding.

They look sharp!

 

[bodhi]

You don't have to tell your friends you are serious about hifi if you have any of the Reference line in your living room. Especially the floorstanding beasts.

 

[Descartes]

You don't have to tell your friends you are serious about hifi if you have any of the Reference line in your living room. Especially the floorstanding beasts.

I am more of a home theater aficionado myself! Bring in the 9.4.6

 

[exm]

I am more of a home theater aficionado myself! Bring in the 9.4.6

I can tell you from experience that the Reference floor standers work fine for home theater

 

[Uniqued]

I am more of a home theater aficionado myself! Bring in the 9.4.6

I have matching color ls50 as surrounds

 

[Mnyb]

I think, that a lot of people - not only audiophiles - confuses auditory memory with remembering a sound from, say, a few months ago. Sure, we will remember the X speakers as playing, for example, a clear, neutral sound, or with some problem in the high frequencies, but that's not what memory is about. As far as I know, auditory memory lasts about a few seconds.

Thakyou you explained it better than me.

I sure remember the general outline of speakers past . But it is futile to make detailed comparisons with a very similar speaker at hand right now ? for the case of a review where thoroughness and accuracy is needed. For the tiny differences you need near instant switching .

To make a good written(youtubed) comparative listening of say R7 and Ref 5 you need both at the same time