stingalleman
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R433 seems to be fine, I assume you're talking about that one, right?
Hi Wouter,I recently purchased a set of defective KEF LSX speakers, figured it would be a fun repair project. The main speaker had blown capacitors for C441/C442/C443 which I was easily able to replace thanks to this thread.
The main speaker now works fine, but the seller said that the slave speaker fell over at some point, causing a breaker (or GFCI? to trip). I've replaced the slowfuse and the issue now seems to be that the slave speaker doesn't want to leave the standby mode, even though the mainboard is supplying 3.3V on the STB_ON pin, which should trigger the relay. The relay itself is fine (I've gotten that to trigger by applying 12V to it myself).
C888 and L802 seem to have died as a result, which I ended up replacing with identically specced throughole parts. Anyone who has had similar issues or perhaps some recommendations for me? I've contacted my local service centre for a replacement PSU or repair manual, but they weren't able to provide either.
Reading the disassembly instructions leads me to believe that this company has no intentions of repairing the products they sell. You are a true friend to take on this repair.Disassembly
Disassembling these loudspeakers is quite a science. I must say that I have rarely seen something that complicated. If you know what you are doing, these notes are for you; otherwise you better have somebody knowledgeable repair your loudspeaker. Inside, there are ESD-sensitive components and high voltage... But first, you need to reach the inside.
Main Tools
Disassemble the enclosure
- Screwdriver Phillips PH1 (standard) and PH2 with blade length >=20cm/8in.
- Micro RF connector extraction tool.
- ESD protection gear (ESD wrist strap, antistatic mat).
Remove the power supply unit
- Remove back cover, use a small tool (e.g. a small flat SL1 screwdriver) to pull the cover away. Insert it in the ventilation slots at the top, but don't push it too deep inside.
- Remove the 6 small rubber rings to avoid losing them. They are glued but the glue is very weak.
- Release the 8 PH2 screws that hold the front plate. Hold the front plate with the speaker with your hand to avoid that it may drop. Screws are deep inside, you need a screwdriver with >=20cm/8in blade length.
- Pull the front plate GENTLY to avoid ripping wires. Swing it to the left side.
- Disconnect the front plate LED connector as soon as you can reach it to avoid ripping it or damaging the LED PCB. You may need to rip 2 glue blobs at the sides of the LED connector.
- At this point the front plate swings out rather freely to the left. The speaker cables are soldered, don't try to pull them out.
- Remove the adhesive strip holding loudspeaker and LED cables, save it in a bag where it doesn't get dust.
- Take apart the 2 WiFi antennas, one is screwed (PH1), the other is mounted on elastic pins. You can release it by pushing the pins with flat nose pliers. Be gentle, DO NOT pull the RF cables, they are delicate.
- Pull out the plastic brace, it is pressure mounted and will slide out if you pull it.
- Remove the damping material. Look well how it is inserted, you will need to place it back in the same way when you reassemble the speaker. Make sure it will not be too close to the bass reflex tube or enter it.
- Remove the bass reflex tube (2 PH1 screws).
- At this point both amp and PSU boards are visible.
- Remove WiFi module together with its antennas from the amp board (one PH1 screw), store it safely.
Now the PSU can be removed completely.
- Disconnect the low voltage connector from the amp board.
- Place enclosure on its left side. Be careful not to damage the loudspeaker.
- Remove the 4 rubber feet by pulling them away with your finger (no tools needed), they are adhesive. Store them in a bag where they don't get dust, otherwise they will no longer attach.
- Remove the 4 conical head screws holding the bottom plate, then remove it and store it in a bag, again to avoid dust.
- Remove the 4 screws holding the PSU.
- Pull out the PSU slowly, disconnect the mains plug and the ground connector (faston) as soon as you can reach them.
Remove Amp Board (MAMP)
Now the amp board can be removed by pulling it straight out of the enclosure.
- Remove the glue blobs holding the micro RF connectors. Be careful if the glue is over SMD components, as you risk to break them away! In this speaker there was glue close to a SMD component of the BT transceiver but not above them, but better check before!
- Disconnect BT (top right of amp board) and PurePath (module on top center) RF cables. You will need an extraction tool. If you don't have one, try to pull them very gently with thin tweezers. You need to pull the connectors straight, don't tilt, rotate or rock them otherwise they will break.
- Remove the PurePath module (1 screw).
- Remove the 4 black recessed screws. Don't remove the clear screws.
- Remove the 6 black screws on the back of the enclosure.
A final note regarding the self threading screws: don't cut new threads as they would be fragile and break easily. Insert the screws into the existing threads. You can find them easily by turning the screws backwards while applying very little force until you feel the click. Now turn right; if the screw enters with no effort, then tighten it; otherwise, try again.
Hi jurthor,Hi all. This was so amazing and helped me get my LAX II’s opened up. I need some help identifying this IC. It’s all crisped up and I can’t make anything out. I’ve tried looking online at for pics of PSU boards and see if I can get a number off of it but no success.
I’m not a professional and I do repairs and micro soldering on the side for my own equipment. Any help would be great in identifying this IC. It’s labeled as U800 and I have emailed KEF but they are asking me for proof of purchase before they help me. Obviously no schematics online anywhere unless I just didn’t look in the right spots? Thanks in advance. I appreciate your expertise on this. Huge help! These were so challenging to dissect the boards out.
Thanks so much!! I’ll play with this some more and see what I find. I’ll update once I am able to get back to repairing or “attempting” to repair this.Hi jurthor,
The PSU of your LSX is somewhat different from the one of the LSX I repaired. I think that if KEF doesn't reply you will need to make some reverse engineering. All I can say is that the IC was made by onsemi, which is not much useful.
Looking at the photos I posted, in roughly the same position there is a simple voltage regulator made with a transistor (Q808, BCP56), a Zener diode (Z800) between the base of Q808 and ground, a resistor (R885) between base and collector of Q808 and 3 capacitors (C811, C849 and C851). On your PCB there are also the same components, although in a different position. I would suggest to check if the U800 you are trying to identify can be a linear voltage regulator IC. Before you replace it however check carefully also the other side of the PCB, likely there is some short-circuit on the output of U800 that made it overheat and blow. Again some bad ceramic capacitor?
Now, this might be a really stupid question…….but can I not just take apart the primary speaker and look at the IC in the PSU for the primary? I mean now that I’m an expert at taking these speakers apart thanks to you, shouldn’t be an issue to pop that PSU out and look at it off the primary speaker. The faulty one that I’m currently working on is on the secondary.Hi jurthor,
The PSU of your LSX is somewhat different from the one of the LSX I repaired. I think that if KEF doesn't reply you will need to make some reverse engineering. All I can say is that the IC was made by onsemi, which is not much useful.
Looking at the photos I posted, in roughly the same position there is a simple voltage regulator made with a transistor (Q808, BCP56), a Zener diode (Z800) between the base of Q808 and ground, a resistor (R885) between base and collector of Q808 and 3 capacitors (C811, C849 and C851). On your PCB there are also the same components, although in a different position. I would suggest to check if the U800 you are trying to identify can be a linear voltage regulator IC. Before you replace it however check carefully also the other side of the PCB, likely there is some short-circuit on the output of U800 that made it overheat and blow. Again some bad ceramic capacitor?
Well, let's hope that the PSU of primary and secondary speakers are identical. Try it and let us know. In any case don't forget to check the rest of the circuit, otherwise the IC may pop again.Now, this might be a really stupid question…….but can I not just take apart the primary speaker and look at the IC in the PSU for the primary? I mean now that I’m an expert at taking these speakers apart thanks to you, shouldn’t be an issue to pop that PSU out and look at it off the primary speaker. The faulty one that I’m currently working on is on the secondary.
I ended up contacting KEF and asked them about parts. They told me it would be $110 to repair the PSU board on the secondary. I agreed and shipped them in. They had a really bad backlog and it took a while and considering this was my first pair and it took a while, they did the repair for free and shipped back to me for free. Amazing customer service! Got my speakers back and they sound amazing. Challenging part is finding parts. I ideally wanted to purchase a new PSU board but was unable to. I struggled for weeks trying to diagnose the short on the board. I tested everything and all looks good. I didn’t want to go down the rabbit hole of swapping out caps and all that. I don’t have all that handy here and would have to order. Overall, I got super lucky with the factory repair. They were very kind and good communication.Well, let's hope that the PSU of primary and secondary speakers are identical. Try it and let us know. In any case don't forget to check the rest of the circuit, otherwise the IC may pop again.
Is maybe KEF starting to behave properly? This positive experience should actually show the most normal, honest and correct behavior from a company in such (or similar) cases, especially when so many speakers are having issues. Everybody would deserve such experience in my opinion. By turning down the issue and refusing to do repairs at least at reasonable conditions if not for free as in this last case, KEF was pushing back customers and prospective customers. Many have certainly lost trust in KEF (including myself) and will think twice before buying again from them, which is a pity given that their speakers sound so good. I'm happy to read that in at least one case things have gone the right way, let's hope it will continue that way. Please let us know if anybody else is having a similar experience.I am glad that you have a positive experience with your repair and the service received from KEF.
At the same time, number of problems people are having with this specific KEF speaker is frightening.
Hi Tuck, I had exactly the same issue you reported. After extensive testing, I managed to restore the firmware by following these steps:Hello! I am looking for any or all help. Thanks in advanced! When I contact KEF they said the board was bad. I have this exact speaker and I'm not seeing anything alarming inside that would explain by the device is not producing a wifi signal for setup. I have also plugged in a verified live network cable and the jack lights are not lighting up. Which I did not realize when I get the steps to put the speakers into FW update mode that KEF requested me to try. I verified on the router it is not seeing the LSX speaker. Now my seconardy/slave speaker is suck in the FW update mode when it boots up and then it blinks red.Bluetooth, AUX and Digital Optical works.
I'm not a electronics expert and looking to gain more knowledge (back in the day I was a cellphone tech that did minor repairs for customers) back store, I bought these LSX gen 1 speakers off facebook market place. When I got them home and factory reset them and was not able to connect them. So I have 3 options, put them up for sale and see if I can get some of my money back, thrown them away, or try to fix them. I would like to fix them. @FraPia-62 Your instructions is amazing as I was able to follow them step by step.
Awesome creative solution. I was thinking I could do something like that, due to my limited soldering skills.Supergreat thread!
I get the scary flashing red LED and sound mutes after 20-30 mins, as many already described here. After cooling down the pattern repeats.
Given that there seems to be concensus on thermal issues as at least one root cause (and seemingly also less than perfect component choices) I decided on a brute force route - namely COOLING!
Also a deciding factor was that my soldering skills are limited to through-hole solutions (I’m old).
Fastened a small (diam. 40 mm) AMD CPU cooling fan on the bass reflex tube pointing at the component area mentioned in the thread and now running the 12 volt fan on 8 volts (almost silent and even the barely audible noise heard is much better than a having a door stop blinking red!)
Not elegant but has now played (with box closed) for 4+ hours every day with flawless sound for over a week.
In my case it didn’t help that the white damping material was pushed tight against the board — great for increasing risk of hot spots i would guess.
It only took me a couple of months but my power supplies are back to working condition! It's been too long of a ride with a couple of unexpected issues (accidentally slipping with a set of tweezers and blowing up the working PSU, oh well!) to start-to-finish document everything that went wrong, but it was a fun project to work on!I recently purchased a set of defective KEF LSX speakers, figured it would be a fun repair project. The main speaker had blown capacitors for C441/C442/C443 which I was easily able to replace thanks to this thread.
The main speaker now works fine, but the seller said that the slave speaker fell over at some point, causing a breaker (or GFCI? to trip). I've replaced the slowfuse and the issue now seems to be that the slave speaker doesn't want to leave the standby mode, even though the mainboard is supplying 3.3V on the STB_ON pin, which should trigger the relay. The relay itself is fine (I've gotten that to trigger by applying 12V to it myself).
C888 and L802 seem to have died as a result, which I ended up replacing with identically specced throughole parts. Anyone who has had similar issues or perhaps some recommendations for me? I've contacted my local service centre for a replacement PSU or repair manual, but they weren't able to provide either.
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