terryforsythe
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If they are in good condition and the color you like, I would jump on that deal. Now they are listed for $6k on KEF's website.found a used pair of LS 60s for about $2.5 K.
If they are in good condition and the color you like, I would jump on that deal. Now they are listed for $6k on KEF's website.found a used pair of LS 60s for about $2.5 K.
I don't think they are from the data I have seen. That's where personal preference may come in.If the Revel's are heads and tails better than the KEF's
Wow, that is a cool graph. I didn't know you could pull up a comparison like that. Thanks for the comparison.I think any opinions you get will be biased. You should hear them in person. If that is not possible, evaluate their differences.
I own the LS60's and I have not heard the f228BE's. Here is why I chose the LS60s (which does not necessarily mean that you should):
1. The LS60's are all active.
- This provides the advantage of not needing separate components.
- There are no passive crossovers. The woofers are directly connected to their own amplifier in each speaker, minimizing the damping factor. This provides very tight bass.
2. The LS60's use a concentric midrange/tweeter driver. This provides better vertical dispersion characteristics - the tone does not change much when your ears are off axis.
3. Each LS60 has four 130mm (5.25") woofers, each with 6.5mm peak excursion. Together, four 130mm woofers have about 40% greater piston surface area than two 8" woofers. But, the 8" woofers probably have more excursion. I don't know what is their excursion, but it probably is a wash.
4. The LS60's extend a bit lower in frequency; 26 Hz vs 33 Hz @ -6dB.
5. The LS60's are very narrow, which worked out well for where I wanted to place them.
Here is the SPINorama comparison:
Easily compare loudspeakers measurements
www.spinorama.org
The KEF's are banged up a bit. Bunch of cosmetic damage. Not sure what I'll do about the cosmetics. They sell a speaker sock of $100/pair. It would be quick and easy until I get around to refinishing the damaged areas. I'm told the speakers work as they should. Returns are permitted but I would have to pay shipping.If they are in good condition and the color you like, I would jump on that deal. Now they are listed for $6k on KEF's website.
Run away. It’ll never be the same and if the outside is abused, the internals would probably be hard to get repaired ?The KEF's are banged up a bit. Bunch of cosmetic damage. Not sure what I'll do about the cosmetics. They sell a speaker sock of $100/pair. It would be quick and easy until I get around to refinishing the damaged areas. I'm told the speakers work as they should. Returns are permitted but I would have to pay shipping.
Paint color matching technology is very good these days. After you get the dings fixed, you probably could remove the trim rings around the drivers, cover the drivers, etc. with painter's tape, and get them re-sprayed by an automotive painter or cabinet shop with a spray booth.It would be quick and easy until I get around to refinishing the damaged areas.
I'm told the speakers work as they should. Returns are permitted but I would have to pay shipping.
One of the problems with active speakers like the LS60s is that they are a media player and amp(s) encased in a speaker. KEF actives are far from bulletproof in terms of reliability, especially the LS50W and LSX. KEF's warranty is not transferable in the case of second-sale. Given how beat up they seem to be, you may well be paying quite a premium for someone else's garbage.The KEF's are banged up a bit. Bunch of cosmetic damage. Not sure what I'll do about the cosmetics. They sell a speaker sock of $100/pair. It would be quick and easy until I get around to refinishing the damaged areas. I'm told the speakers work as they should. Returns are permitted but I would have to pay shipping.
Owning both the LSXii and LS60 the LS60 seems to have cooling sorted and and diffrent electronics hmm we will see i took my chances...One of the problems with active speakers like the LS60s is that they are a media player and amp(s) encased in a speaker. KEF actives are far from bulletproof in terms of reliability, especially the LS50W and LSX. KEF's warranty is not transferable in the case of second-sale. Given how beat up they seem to be, you may well be paying quite a premium for someone else's garbage.
Have a look here to see what you are getting into if you need to repair them yourself:
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KEF LSX Teardown and Repair
A friend of mine gave me these speakers for repair if possible, or at least to understand what was happening. According to him, the speakers would operate for a couple of minutes, then the sound would fade away progressively to 0. After a few tries and a firmware update the speakers no longer...www.audiosciencereview.com
And that's before considering the obsolescence of the electronics (all that RoHS lead-free solder waiting to crack), control apps going unsupported, HDMI standards changing, etc.
The Revels on the other hand, will last decades.
I've never done any sweep analysis on a speaker. Anyone have a link for a simple tutorial on how to test the speakers? I see lots of stuff online, but some of it goes over my head.If they are significantly beat up there's a material chance the voice coils could have been knocked out of place. Casual listeners might not catch that and could say in good faith that they are working fine. I wouldn't buy without having the chance to run a sweep. At $2.5k they are a no brainer... If they're working right.
The simplest way is just to play a sweep (using REW or a tone generator like this and listen to it carefully, live. Doing it manually with a tone generator is probably better for an ears-on test because you can go back and forth if you think you hear something.I've never done any sweep analysis on a speaker. Anyone have a link for a simple tutorial on how to test the speakers? I see lots of stuff online, but some of it goes over my head.
After all the comment I decided against the KEF LS60's. The cost of shipping them back might have been prohibitive. The seller offered to film and record them with his phone, but the quality of the recording would have been inadequate to tell if the speaker had a subtle problem. The comments about the durability of the electronics in the speaker swayed me. I have a pair of Wharfedale E-fifty's from the 70's (I'm the original owner) and they still sound good, although I had to replace a woofer some years back. 50 years of longevity speaks highly of simple might be better.If they are significantly beat up there's a material chance the voice coils could have been knocked out of place. Casual listeners might not catch that and could say in good faith that they are working fine. I wouldn't buy without having the chance to run a sweep. At $2.5k they are a no brainer... If they're working right.
when I was demoing them in the London store a few months ago the guy told me KEF is going to increase the price soon. So I think it was a worldwide planned price increaseThey are now up to $6k, probably because of the tariffs.
Your 5sAfter all the comment I decided against the KEF LS60's. The cost of shipping them back might have been prohibitive. The seller offered to film and record them with his phone, but the quality of the recording would have been inadequate to tell if the speaker had a subtle problem. The comments about the durability of the electronics in the speaker swayed me. I have a pair of Wharfedale E-fifty's from the 70's (I'm the original owner) and they still sound good, although I had to replace a woofer some years back. 50 years of longevity speaks highly of simple might be better.
The following morning I saw a pair of pristine Goldenear Triton Reference speakers for $2100 and I grabbed them. I love my Tritan 5's with an SVS sub so I'm pretty sure I'll be happy with the Reference model.
Thanks for all the input.