KEF LS60 Wireless Just Announced

[TouchMyWoofer]

I am considering buying the ls60 but due to toddlers I am skeptical regarding the missing grille. Can you tell me how delicate the tweeters and woofers are?

 

[RobL]

I am considering buying the ls60 but due to toddlers I am skeptical regarding the missing grille. Can you tell me how delicate the tweeters and woofers are?

One thread about that very issue HERE.

 

[terryforsythe]

I am considering buying the ls60 but due to toddlers I am skeptical regarding the missing grille. Can you tell me how delicate the tweeters and woofers are?

When my children were toddlers they were fascinated with pushing in on the drivers in my speakers, which had not grills. I became quite adept at using things (e.g., tape and/or a paper clip) to pop dust caps back out.

 

[BigFKahuna]

I am considering buying the ls60 but due to toddlers I am skeptical regarding the missing grille. Can you tell me how delicate the tweeters and woofers are?

LS60's for over a year now, along with 5 grandchildren and 5 rowdy dogs that visit with them. Knock on wood, but no issues this far. There is enough to keep them occupied, and on the one or two occasions when one did want to touch the speakers a quick "tut-tut" was all it took. I am more worried about the party antics of their adult parents!

 

[TouchMyWoofer]

In the end I do believe you can teach kids to leave certain stuff alone. But shit happens. I read of others here sewing a cover for them but that is not really my style. I am considering the Buchardt A10 as well.

 

[VincentM]

If you can feed them via the S/PDIF input (up to 24/192PCM), they can be treated just like regular powered speakers, albeit in pairs.


Ah. You want them to be a complete multichannel system. That's another story.

A modified Oppo 203 with VanityHD board(wich has 7.1 digital out via coax) could be a solution.

 

[Puddingbuks]

It’s looks over practicality with kef.

But try implementing 5 covers, or three on front and both sides.

 

[Mnyb]

In room pics as promised.

have not used any eq yet . That the next thing after .

the subs works very well out of the box with the suggested settings, good work gentlemen I tried to adjust the level one dB up or down it sounded best as set by KEF .

fine products sound very good just dumped into my room in the only places they can go a nice suprise too me , not accustomed to well designed speakers .. the usual stuff I owned in the past has demanded trying out all kinds of things .

i did the following tried different distances to the back wall and adjusted the toe in to my liking. With a laser pointer at the top of the speakers I listen slightly of axis as recommended with coaxials .

now picks .

 

[goat76]

i did the following tried different distances to the back wall and adjusted the toe in to my liking. With a laser pointer at the top of the speakers I listen slightly of axis as recommended with coaxials .

I think the LS60s are meant to be sounding best without any toe-in at all, from the on-axis measurements I’ve seen they have a fairly large treble boost. But the “to my liking” part is of course the most important thing to get right.

What a nice looking home you have.

 

[terryforsythe]

My LS60s sound better to me with a little bit of toe in.

 

[Mnyb]

I think the LS60s are meant to be sounding best without any toe-in at all, from the on-axis measurements I’ve seen they have a fairly large treble boost. But the “to my liking” part is of course the most important thing to get right.

What a nice looking home you have.

i did not manage to capture that in the pics the placement is not symetrical and there are large openings on the sides so side reflection are different and may not exist so much on one side and on the other it’s close to a cabinet.
the room is quite open to the sides .
so for some reas there was not that much solid phantom center with no toe in ?
maybe if pull them closer together .

but it migth be taste, on my previous Meridian speakers I always tweaked the treble down whole the time , they where bright .

either way it works for some reason when I dial in some bass eq I migth reconsider again
the ls60 is not very placement sensitive the tonal balance is very similar in a wide range of toe in out ?

 

[terryforsythe]

so for some reas there was not that much solid phantom center with no toe in ?

A little toe-in improved the imaging for me as well.

 

[GA16SE]

Just announced: LS60 Wireless Speaker Firmware, Version 2.2, 14-May-2024
- Update to Google Cast 2.0 (no longer requires Google Home on Android for onboarding the speaker)
- Minor improvements and bug fixes
Please note: Firmware and app updates are gradually released over a period of 1-2 weeks

Release Notes | KEF

assets.kef.com

 

[Mnyb]

Still on 2.1 they ain’t fast . roll out is spread over 1-2 weeks they say . Wonder how the order is determined never been the early bird….

or is it serial number order

 

[GA16SE]

This afternoon (in Europe), I’ve managed updating my LS60 speaker firmware to version 2.2. I think that once Google Home on Android for onboarding the speaker is no longer required, the error message no speaker found will be forgotten.

 

[postjack]

just so you don't feel crazy these pictures were taken on two different days when i was trying different positions for that big SVS cylinder sub.

been running the LS60 for a couple weeks now and really enjoy them. the AVR in the picture isn't hooked up, i'm running them with an HDMI straight from the TV for TV and movies, and listening to music with Spotify Connect. they work great with the TV, i set them up to power on when the TV powers on and my TV remote controls the volume. Getting the stereo downmix from the 4K player to work was a little trickier, but ultimately i found i needed to disable eARC on the TV, now movie discs work great. spotify connects quickly and i haven't had any drop outs. after spending months (years maybe?) hemming and hawing and reading horror stories about issues with KEF electronics i'm pleased to find everything is working flawlessly (so far).

not going to try and describe the sound myself, see Erin's excellent youtube review, his experience is the same as mine. the speakers are really just a joy to listen to. the only thing i'll comment on is the bass in my room. you can kind of get an idea of the size and layout of my room from the pictures, pretty big room with various openings to other rooms. as such, i don't get a ton of pressurization from the speakers, nor would i expect to. but i can "hear" every bass note without issue, and there is a satisfying midbass punch with well recorded/mixed analog kick drums and pretty much any electronic music. beyond that the imaging is awesome, vocals are firmly locked in the center, very similar to my LS50 Metas which I run in another smaller room.

overall, if you enjoy the KEF sound, you will love the LS60, though if you crave bass pressurization and have a large or unwieldy room you may consider a subwoofer or two.

i sit about 12 feet away and the speakers get incredibly loud. the absolute max i've had them is at 65 on the volume and i was pushing 95db at that, which is my personal max for volume before i get uncomfortable. i'm typically an 85db listener.

i've been really impressed with the app, particularly the "expert" mode adjustment options. very slick and easy to use, i'm still experimenting with various configurations but have generally settled on not using wall mode at all (meaning bass is kept at the maximum setting) and phase correction on. it sounds great with phase correction on or off, but i do think the sound is a little more coherent with it on.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder but i think the speakers are gorgeous to look at. i've been at this hobby a long time and have decided that if i'm going to be spending hours sitting and listening to music i might as well like the look of the speakers i'm staring at, and as such it's worth spending the extra money to have speakers that are aesthetically pleasing to me.

at some point these may find their way into my regular listening room. they replaced a SVS Ultra Towers and center channel, and sonically are better in almost every way than those, but when watching movies i do miss having a center channel i can bump up the volume on.

final point, really impressed with the thought that went into the box these came in. you can find unboxing videos on youtube, but basically the were extremely easy to unbox, i just shimmied the speaker sideways right out of the box, very easy.

anyway KEF rules.

 

[Descartes]

just so you don't feel crazy these pictures were taken on two different days when i was trying different positions for that big SVS cylinder sub.

been running the LS60 for a couple weeks now and really enjoy them. the AVR in the picture isn't hooked up, i'm running them with an HDMI straight from the TV for TV and movies, and listening to music with Spotify Connect. they work great with the TV, i set them up to power on when the TV powers on and my TV remote controls the volume. Getting the stereo downmix from the 4K player to work was a little trickier, but ultimately i found i needed to disable eARC on the TV, now movie discs work great. spotify connects quickly and i haven't had any drop outs. after spending months (years maybe?) hemming and hawing and reading horror stories about issues with KEF electronics i'm pleased to find everything is working flawlessly (so far).

not going to try and describe the sound myself, see Erin's excellent youtube review, his experience is the same as mine. the speakers are really just a joy to listen to. the only thing i'll comment on is the bass in my room. you can kind of get an idea of the size and layout of my room from the pictures, pretty big room with various openings to other rooms. as such, i don't get a ton of pressurization from the speakers, nor would i expect to. but i can "hear" every bass note without issue, and there is a satisfying midbass punch with well recorded/mixed analog kick drums and pretty much any electronic music. beyond that the imaging is awesome, vocals are firmly locked in the center, very similar to my LS50 Metas which I run in another smaller room.

overall, if you enjoy the KEF sound, you will love the LS60, though if you crave bass pressurization and have a large or unwieldy room you may consider a subwoofer or two.

i sit about 12 feet away and the speakers get incredibly loud. the absolute max i've had them is at 65 on the volume and i was pushing 95db at that, which is my personal max for volume before i get uncomfortable. i'm typically an 85db listener.

i've been really impressed with the app, particularly the "expert" mode adjustment options. very slick and easy to use, i'm still experimenting with various configurations but have generally settled on not using wall mode at all (meaning bass is kept at the maximum setting) and phase correction on. it sounds great with phase correction on or off, but i do think the sound is a little more coherent with it on.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder but i think the speakers are gorgeous to look at. i've been at this hobby a long time and have decided that if i'm going to be spending hours sitting and listening to music i might as well like the look of the speakers i'm staring at, and as such it's worth spending the extra money to have speakers that are aesthetically pleasing to me.

at some point these may find their way into my regular listening room. they replaced a SVS Ultra Towers and center channel, and sonically are better in almost every way than those, but when watching movies i do miss having a center channel i can bump up the volume on.

final point, really impressed with the thought that went into the box these came in. you can find unboxing videos on youtube, but basically the were extremely easy to unbox, i just shimmied the speaker sideways right out of the box, very easy.

anyway KEF rules.

Welcome yes they are fantastic, hopefully the electronics inside of them last at least ten years!

 

[Puddingbuks]

Today I spoke with a Kef sales representative at the “Noir et blanc” hifi event in Brussels, Belgium. https://www.noir-et-blanc.com/blog/ Very well organized but few people attended today, strange.

I asked him if Kef will ever solve the LS60 problem that the wireless speed drops over time, leading to drop outs. After rebooting, unplug/plug everything is fine agsin, but few hours/days later the speed drops. Replacing routers / access points and changing network setting, nothing seems to work. This is also clearly shown in the kef app, where you can run a network speed test. It drops from 35-40mbps in the beginning to well below 10, 5-6 mbps sometimes.

A bunch of talk followed which exposed another problem (losing signal after switching cabled interconnection between the two speakers), but there was little knowledge imo so that I doubt if they will ever fix this. Solution in the end was “use a cable”. I said the speaker is called LS60 wireless.



There were three kef rooms, one with the blade meta:

 

[Pearljam5000]

Is the LS60 close at all to the Blade Meta sound?

 

[Kal Rubinson]

Is the LS60 close at all to the Blade Meta sound?

I have both but I don't know how to quantify "close."