KEF LS60 Wireless Just Announced

[terryforsythe]

You can fix that by adding subwoofers .

Yes, as long as you do it correctly.

The KEF Connect app only has a sub polarity switch for phase matching, which is not sufficient to ensure proper phase alignment between the speakers and the subwoofer. So, for optimal integration of subwoofers with these speakers, you will need subwoofers that have variable phase control, allowing you to dial any delay you need between 0 deg. and 180 deg to get the speakers and subwoofers phase aligned. My buddy just got a SVS subwoofer, and it has variable phase control. Also, you will want some way to be able to perform room correction on whatever sub woofers you get.

 

[Mnyb]

Yes, as long as you do it correctly.

The KEF Connect app only has a sub polarity switch for phase matching, which is not sufficient to ensure proper phase alignment between the speakers and the subwoofer. So, for optimal integration of subwoofers with these speakers, you will need subwoofers that have variable phase control, allowing you to dial any delay you need between 0 deg. and 180 deg to get the speakers and subwoofers phase aligned. My buddy just got a SVS subwoofer, and it has variable phase control. Also, you will want some way to be able to perform room correction on whatever sub woofers you get.

Yes the bass management could be improved upon .

I think the software in the kef speakers could potentially have this and PEQ and room correction.

I think they underestimate customers a bit , they eq features they have like wall mode and such avoids all talk about frequency and other “complicated” matters , even thier subs has generic wall and corner settings.

They sacrifice some performance to get ease of use ? Just hide the complexity in some hidden expert mode us nerd can use

 

[terryforsythe]

Yes the bass management could be improved upon .

I think the software in the kef speakers could potentially have this and PEQ and room correction.

I think they underestimate customers a bit , they eq features they have like wall mode and such avoids all talk about frequency and other “complicated” matters , even thier subs has generic wall and corner settings.

They sacrifice some performance to get ease of use ? Just hide the complexity in some hidden expert mode us nerd can use

I agree.

With the built in DSP, I don't think it would be difficult to add variable phase control in addition to the phase switch.

Also, the DSPs almost certainly have Biquads built in. However, they may already be using most of the ones available for the factory tuning. For example, Hypex fusion amps have 15 biquads per amplifier. I imagine KEF used quite a few of those, unless they are using FIRs instead. I really don't know.

 

[Pearljam5000]

It would be interesting to compare LS60 and Kii 7 as they are close in price and somewhat similar
But I actually like the Kii 7 design even more

 

[terryforsythe]

It would be interesting to compare LS60 and Kii 7 as they are close in price and somewhat similar
By I actually like the Kii 7 design even more

I have never heard them, nor seen any test data for them. They look interesting, though.

Recently I have been leaning toward speakers with concentric woofer/midranges. The LS60s are my second pair. The first speakers I obtained with concentric drivers are Elacs. Listening to those is what really got me interested in the KEFs. Before I got the Elacs, concentric drivers were not of much interest to me, though.

 

[Pearljam5000]

I have never heard them, nor seen any test data for them. They look interesting, though.

Recently I have been leaning toward speakers with concentric woofer/midranges. The LS60s are my second pair. The first speakers I obtained with concentric drivers are Elacs. Listening to those is what really got me interested in the KEFs. Before I got the Elacs, concentric drivers were not of much interest to me, though.

Then you should also try Genelecs Ones

 

[Mnyb]

I agree.

With the built in DSP, I don't think it would be difficult to add variable phase control in addition to the phase switch.

Also, the DSPs almost certainly have Biquads built in. However, they may already be using most of the ones available for the factory tuning. For example, Hypex fusion amps have 15 biquads per amplifier. I imagine KEF used quite a few of those, unless they are using FIRs instead. I really don't know.

Can these be used smartly I understand one does not want to mess with the xover ?
But tweaking already existing filters to alter the response rather than add a new one for each correction.

Or at least let’s us tweak the frequency and Q on the desk mode or wall mode and you got two peq’s rigth there

 

[terryforsythe]

Then you should also try Genelecs Ones

The Genelecs are sweeeeet!!!

I have not heard them myself, but the measurements on those speakers show they are outstanding. If I had decor in which they would match, they would have been on my short list.

 

[Mnyb]

My plan is to also have eq elsewhere in the system regardless of if I buy LS60 or R7 so that the combined eq capacities gets me there . A WiiM streamer and a sub with 3 band PEQ could be a good combination. I’m also looking at mini DSP .

You could possibly also use roon .

I’ve read about camilla DSP but never understood how to insert it into my signal chain ,no one ever explain that thoroughly .

Maybe I end up with WiiM ( with PEQ ) mini DSP SHD and subwoofers with PEQ if I go passive to get more knobs to twiddle !

 

[terryforsythe]

My plan is to also have eq elsewhere in the system regardless of if I buy LS60 or R7 so that the combined eq capacities gets me there . A WiiM streamer and a sub with 3 band PEQ could be a good combination. I’m also looking at mini DSP .

You could possibly also use roon .

I’ve read about camilla DSP but never understood how to insert it into my signal chain ,no one ever explain that thoroughly .

Maybe I end up with WiiM ( with PEQ ) mini DSP SHD and subwoofers with PEQ if I go passive to get more knobs to twiddle !

The miniDSP SHD is a great unit, but I would not use it for these speakers. You don't need the analog output. (You would be paying for DACs you don't need).

I would save some money and use a WiiM Pro and a miniDSP Flex with digital outputs. It has both optical and coax digital outputs. The main LS60 speaker also has both an optical and coax digital input. Just make sure that you get a sub that has a digital input in the form of optical and/or coax, and you are set.

 

[terryforsythe]

The miniDSP SHD is a great unit, but I would not use it for these speakers. You don't need the analog output. (You would be paying for DACs you don't need).

I would save some money and use a WiiM Pro and a miniDSP Flex with digital outputs. It has both optical and coax digital outputs. The main LS60 speaker also has both an optical and coax digital input. Just make sure that you get a sub that has a digital input in the form of optical and/or coax, and you are set.

Another option is the SHD Studio, which is all digital, and includes a streamer. So, you wouldn't need the WiiM.

Also, the SHD includes a streamer, so you wouldn't need the WiiM with that either.

 

[GA16SE]

A miniDSP SHD unit is also provided with digital output.

 

[Mnyb]

I meant to say I goo with an mini DSP SHD if I buy a set of R7 if I buy LS60 I rethink the strategy a bit .

Maybe just a WiiM and a sub with PEQ .

You can ofcourse stream directly to the speakers.

I have several as pi with LMS around, so I have streamers already. So I could use them

Just read that the WiiM where very accomplished products

 

[terryforsythe]

A miniDSP SHD unit is also provided with digital output.
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I know. I owned one.

My point is that the SHD costs $1,299.

The SHD Studio costs $949 and includes everything that the SHD includes, except for the analog outputs, which are not needed for the LS60s.

The miniDSP Flex, with the Drac Live option, costs $649. A WiiM Pro is $149. So the total for this option is $798.

So, since he doesn't need the DACs for LS60s, why spend the extra money?

 

[Mnyb]

A miniDSP SHD unit is also provided with digital output.
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I like that , versatility .

I do like equipment with connections for all kinds of stuff and options for the unknown future .

You could ofcourse slimline and optimise just for your current needs , but I don’t want to do that .

 

[terryforsythe]

if I buy LS60 I rethink the strategy a bit

Using a Flex or Studio with the LS60s would give you far, far more tuning capabilities, which you were concerned about. But, you end up needing to run a cable to the main LS60 in order to do so.

 

[terryforsythe]

I like that , versatility .

I do like equipment with connections for all kinds of stuff and options for the unknown future .

You could ofcourse slimline and optimise just for your current needs , but I don’t want to do that .

I had the SHD - I used the analog outputs. It is a fantastic unit.

I just recently sold it and replaced it with a miniDSP Flex HTx. I need 8 output channels for a project I am working on - https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...-fi-reference-ubr62-bookshelf-speakers.51780/

 

[Mnyb]

Using a Flex or Studio with the LS60s would give you far, far more tuning capabilities, which you were concerned about. But, you end up needing to run a cable to the main LS60 in order to do so.

A yes I’m ok with that I use the digital input on my LSXII with my old Squeezebox Touch so some more cables are ok

 

[terryforsythe]

I like that , versatility .

I do like equipment with connections for all kinds of stuff and options for the unknown future .

You could ofcourse slimline and optimise just for your current needs , but I don’t want to do that .

One more thing. With the SHD, I think you only can use Dirac Live on the analog outputs or the digital outputs, but you can't do both (e.g, use two channels analog and two channels digital). I think it has something to do with the 2-channel Dirac Live license that comes with the SHD. If you might want to use both analog and digital outputs simultaneously, you may want to check with miniDSP to see if you can find a work around for that, for example by upgrading the license.

 

[GA16SE]

No, it's not as you think.

"The SHD has digital and analog (RCA/XLR). All outputs are however duplicated. In other words:
RCA out1 = XLR out1 = SPDIF out1.
So to answer the question, yes you can indeed a mix of SPDIF and Analog out. It will work fine.
The master volume control will apply to both analog and digital."
Source: https://support.minidsp.com/support...into-a-dac-and-use-the-built-in-analog-out3-f