KEF Blade Two Meta Review

[Jimster480]

28k is a wild price

 

[daniboun]

Great but seems the Blade 1 meta outperfoms the blade 2

Measurements for speaker KEF Blade 1 Meta

www.spinorama.org

BTW the KEF Reference 5 measure better than the blade 1 and 2 @ $8500

 

[Sigberg Audio]

So: either Erin was measuring at a lower SPL than indicated, or Nuyes was testing at a higher SPL than indicated. Either that, or there is something wrong with Nuyes' sample.

I suspect what we see is actually room interaction, not loudspeaker distortion.

 

[Sigberg Audio]

Great but seems the Blade 1 meta outperfoms the blade 2

Measurements for speaker KEF Blade 1 Meta

www.spinorama.org

BTW the KEF Reference 5 measure better than the blade 1 and 2 @ $8500

You guys need to stop thinking the measurements allow you to compare two good speakers and be able to tell which one is better. You can't. The spinorama doesn't tell the whole story.

Our SBS.1 speakers "perform better" according to the preference score than our Mantas (~twice the price). Are they actually better? Not at all.

 

[daniboun]

You guys need to stop thinking the measurements allow you to compare two good speakers and be able to tell which one is better. You can't. The spinorama doesn't tell the whole story.

Our SBS.1 speakers "perform better" according to the preference score than our Mantas (~twice the price). Are they actually better? Not at all.

In this case, what's the point of using a reference? Sigberg speakers are rather very medium in terms of results specially for the high price, aren't they?

 

[MudFlap]

Sell the House.
Sell the Wife.
Sell the Kids.


Buy the Speakers.

 

[Pearljam5000]

What's a better speaker than the Blade at the same price or less?

 

[Sigberg Audio]

In this case, what's the point of using a reference?

Which reference are you referring to?

Sigberg speakers are rather very medium in terms of results specially for the high price, aren't they?

Not really, they measure quite well.

 

[Chester]

In any reasonably sized listening room

Can you define reasonably sized? Thanks.

 

[Keith_W]

I suspect what we see is actually room interaction, not loudspeaker distortion.

If the mic is left in the same position, why do we get more room interaction at higher volumes? Also, we know from his measurement of the on-axis FR that he is able to replicate Erin's Klippel measurement above 200Hz - IOW he has shown that he can take a quasi-anechoic measurement above certain frequencies. Nuyes' compression measurement shows substantial deviation in those frequencies. Much as I respect you, I have to disagree with you on this one ... sorry.

 

[Sigberg Audio]

If the mic is left in the same position, why do we get more room interaction at higher volumes? Also, we know from his measurement of the on-axis FR that he is able to replicate Erin's Klippel measurement above 200Hz - IOW he has shown that he can take a quasi-anechoic measurement above certain frequencies. Nuyes' compression measurement shows substantial deviation in those frequencies. Much as I respect you, I have to disagree with you on this one ... sorry.

Isn't it reasonable to get more reflections at higher volume levels? Whatever it is, what is shown in this graph is not something we'd expect to see from compression due to the driver(s) not being able to keep up.

 

[Madlop26]

You guys need to stop thinking the measurements allow you to compare two good speakers and be able to tell which one is better. You can't. The spinorama doesn't tell the whole story.

Our SBS.1 speakers "perform better" according to the preference score than our Mantas (~twice the price). Are they actually better? Not at all.

Preference score....I see....you think it is more relevant than measurements. I would agree, if it has a solid scientific basis. anything other than that does not tell reality.

 

[Sigberg Audio]

Preference score....I see....you think it is more relevant than measurements. I would agree, if it has a solid scientific basis. anything other than that does not tell reality.

No, the preference score is way less relevant than the measurements.

 

[Keith_W]

Isn't it reasonable to get more reflections at higher volume levels? Whatever it is, what is shown in this graph is not something we'd expect to see from compression due to the driver(s) not being able to keep up.

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You get the same reflections but at higher SPL. The reflections can be easily windowed out, especially above 1kHz or maybe lower depending on the size of the room.

 

[Sigberg Audio]

You get the same reflections but at higher SPL. The reflections can be easily windowed out, especially above 1kHz or maybe lower depending on the size of the room.

Yees. Hard to say what this is. I have a very hard time believing the tweeter of the Blade behaves like that at 96dB.

 

[daniboun]

Not really, they measure quite well.

They are lots of other speakers that measure quite well with quite reasonable price )
The problem with manufacturers is that you often fall into confirmation bias.... ASR / Erin / Spinorama help us to contrast our choices.

 

[Sigberg Audio]

They are lots of other speakers that measure quite well with quite reasonable price )
The problem with manufacturers is that you often fall into confirmation bias.... ASR / Erin / Spinorama help us to contrast our choices.

Yes, but then we are back to where we started - your ability to interprete the spinoramas and understand based on them which speaker is better. It is not so easy.

 

[daniboun]

Yes, but then we are back to where we started - your ability to interprete the spinoramas and understand based on them which speaker is better. It is not so easy.

Scientifically speaking, Spinorama allows you to compare two speakers by superimposing the different results. (SPL, in room, on axes, etc.)
I never said at any time that it was easy to interpret... But it allows for contrast and therefore helps you in your choices

 

[Sokel]

You get the same reflections but at higher SPL. The reflections can be easily windowed out, especially above 1kHz or maybe lower depending on the size of the room.

I would think electronics too, risng distortion vs freq is usual at some of them.

About the speaker, really good measurements.
Haven't listened to them but the Blade 1 I listened to was probably crippled by the room at midbass because impact was simply not there.
They went deep down,yes, but no clean hit at 100-250Hz on the chest. Rooms will always dominate.

Even the bigger ones are not as intrusive as one thinks, they just look like big-ish speakers. I could stuff them in my living room at they gray nice colour I saw them.
They do look premium at their own way, not SF premium or Rockport premium, but they do have their something.

 

[Pearljam5000]

I would think electronics too, risng distortion vs freq is usual at some of them.

About the speaker, really good measurements.
Haven't listened to them but the Blade 1 I listened to was probably crippled by the room at midbass because impact was simply not there.
They went deep down,yes, but no clean hit at 100-250Hz on the chest. Rooms will always dominate.

Even the bigger ones are not as intrusive as one thinks, they just look like big-ish speakers. I could stuff them in my living room at they gray nice colour I saw them.
They do look premium at their own way, not SF premium or Rockport premium, but they do have their something.

If they were made out of aluminum they would have felt much more premium
Once you go with metal cabinets you can't go back