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KEF Blade Two Meta Review

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See for yourself.

And FWIW all speakers can potentially lack bass if it's used by a moron subjective reviewer who does not take measurements, and therefore does not realize that it's his room sucking out all the bass.
Then the same morons will say, when confronted, “....but I put all the speakers in the same spot during reviews to make a fair comparison.” Even if they’re not just deflecting, that still doesn’t address the fact that the placement of the drivers will interact differently with the room in each case and will differ from room to room. That’s why not using measurements as a feedback system to find the optimal placement for each speaker being tested destroys the validity of the entire speaker review. The reviewer should accommodate the speakers to the room, not accommodate the room to the speakers being tested.
 
What about the tweeter? We're always talking about woofers, but how much sound pressure can the tweeter handle?
W371A does not have tweeters, it's a bass module (NOT sub) .
Tweeter's SPL will depend on the chosen head unit.
 
Just imagine if KEF were to put these in a conventional looking enclosure (ie, traditional size and shape, taking care to avoid any diffraction effects from the front baffle or edges) of the same volume (or a smaller volume containing fill material so that it approximates the Blade’s volume), made out of conventional (ie, cheaper) materials. I wonder how much lower they could get the price for identical, or almost identical, performance?

Or did I just describe the Reference 5?
The Reference 5 are superb IMO. If someone fancies the Blades but can't handle the looks, they should check out the R5.
 
Subjective experience incoming: I was lucky enough to hear these at a hifi shop in the Bay Area with like $30k of amplification and while they were great, and the room was untreated, I was pleasantly surprised at how well my 8361's at home compare. Especially at around 1/3rd of the price. The shop also had two large subwoofers set up that they let me hear with the kef's which were not well integrated and sounded worse than the kefs alone. On the same day I was able to hear the ls60's in the same room which I thought were a much better value proposition. I think most people would be more than happy with those in any small to medium room. If you have a big room, big amps and money to burn I could see a case for the blades. I preferred the 8361 to both, at least for my space. Can't argue with the engineering though, and I love the look.
The LS60 is still a great bargain. I have them and I love them. I offload the subbass to a subwoofer, which lowers distortion even further and increases headroom.
 
I missread the graph myself. The impedance is a bit low with ~2.7Ohm, but that shouldn't be a prob/ with class-D amps.

Btw. The EPDR (?) as calculated isn't the more "real" impedance. With class-D for instance it isn't even defined ...

EPDR shows how tough a speaker is to drive by turning impedance and phase into a simple resistive load. It helps us to see how much current and thermal stress amp will need to handle, but EPDR is a property of the speaker, not the amplifier - or did I misunderstand your last sentence?
 
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EPDR shows how tough a speaker is to drive by turning impedance and phase into a simple resistive load. It helps us to see how much current any amp will need to handle, but EPDR is a property of the speaker, not the amplifier - or did I misunderstand your last sentence?
This topic could be worth an own thread. I once recapitulated its calculation and came to conclusions that differ by a fair bit from common understanding. Besides, it isn't applicable for D-class amps.
 
True, but are not powered. So you have to also figure in the looks of multiple component boxes!
Nah, just hook 'em up to a Wiim Amp Pro and you're set. ;)
 
Blades are prettier ;)
The 8331,8341,8351 can now be ordered in RAL colors.
I'd expect the 8361 will also be avaialble that way soon.
I actually think this is cool just like how the Blades can be ordered in Pantone colorways.
I know some will not be impressed thinking this is all hideous, but this is cool!

The Genelec sub is hideous and ridiculous as a stand though. I'd pick different lows

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True, but are not powered. So you have to also figure in the looks of multiple component boxes!
Some of those boxes are actually pretty too, I have mine out of the way but hey.......
 
I'll take the big box. Big is good :p.
 
They absolutely not lack bass , i mean it depends what kind of bass i got 2/18 inch subwoofer that could put my house down , but the blade 2 paired with a good amp just like an hypex ncx500 would be fine
 
They absolutely not lack bass , i mean it depends what kind of bass i got 2/18 inch subwoofer that could put my house down , but the blade 2 paired with a good amp just like an hypex ncx500 would be fine
So it lacks bass after all?
 
The 8331,8341,8351 can now be ordered in RAL colors.
I'd expect the 8361 will also be avaialble that way soon.
I actually think this is cool just like how the Blades can be ordered in Pantone colorways.
I know some will not be impressed thinking this is all hideous, but this is cool!

The Genelec sub is hideous and ridiculous as a stand though. I'd pick different lows

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Apart from ones taste, it could also be beneficial for listening to music: speakers that "disapear" not only sonicly, but also visually. Another option is installing an acousticly transparant curtain that can be pulled in front of the sprakers.
 
So it lacks bass after all?

The relevant measurement was posted exactly one page ago, here.

I'll say this about bass, and I think this is something that a lot of people on ASR don't realize. Bass frequency response does not tell you everything. You also need to look at the time response, and the time response depends on your room. And maybe also your speaker.

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Right now, I have 3 DSP filters and I am showing you the bass response. In blue, we have the speakers high passed at 50Hz, and the subs low passed at 50Hz. In yellow, the speakers are run full range, and the subs are low passed at 80Hz - meaning there is a substantial overlap between 20Hz - 80Hz that the subs and speakers are reproducing. In magenta, the subs are off, and the speakers are run full range. I equalized all the bass response of each filter so that it is as flat as possible.

If we ignore the magenta curve (no subs) for a moment, you will see that the blue and yellow curves are almost the same. Maybe the yellow curve (speakers full range and subs low passed) has a little bit less bass. Not so, when you actually listen to the filter, the bass has a certain punch and impact which is more prominent than the other DSP settings.

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The spectrogram tells you why. If you look closely, there is more energy between 40Hz - 90Hz on the spectro on the right - IOW the bass "hangs around" just that bit longer. This is enough to make the bass feel more powerful.

In my case, the difference was produced by different DSP settings / XO choices. But if those KEF's are placed in a "dry" sounding room, the bass will seem subjectively less, even if it has the same frequency response. The short message: the Klippel measurement tells you that KEF's are capable of producing bass frequencies. But the subjective experience of whether there is "enough" bass also depends on bass decay, and bass decay depends on your room.
 
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