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KEF Blade 2 vs Ascend ELX Towers as End Game

According to port and woofer measurements of F228 Be it is clearly by design. HPF cut-off of woofer way steeper compared to woofer roll off. If it is called shelf or not, in the end less bass energy into the room, isn't it?
Yes, less bass energy into the room is exactly the point. WIth a flat bass response, you're typically going to get nasty room mode peaks that result in muddy-sounding bass. If you want more bass and aren't using room correction for some reason, the solution is easy: use a tone control (or EQ) to increase the bass level to your satisfaction.
Edit: I missed my main question: I remeber some speakers, I think Blade 2 or F328Be, didn't fit vertically onto the NFS and measurements had to be carried out sideways, resulting in bass artefacs. I can't recall what the isue was unfortunately.
Why would putting the speaker sideways result in "bass artifacts"?
 
Why would putting the speaker sideways result in "bass artifacts"?
It's a pitty I cannot find the thread. There was a discussion between amir and erin on the NFS and amir recognizes some artefacts in the measurements from erin and suspected he measured the speaker sideways...and he was correct. Don't know why I cannot find it.
 
It's a pitty I cannot find the thread. There was a discussion between amir and erin on the NFS and amir recognizes some artefacts in the measurements from erin and suspected he measured the speaker sideways...and he was correct. Don't know why I cannot find it.
Hm. I'd be interested to see what that was about, I'll see if I can find it.
 
Here we go, it was the big JBL's: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...nding-speaker-review.21738/page-2#post-722754

1 or two posts later, the topic is between erin and amir about measuring sideways. Interestingly, the dedicated thread for this low end optimization was rescently revived.
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My small subjective impression. I’ve owned the ELX Titan for two months and find them to be wonderful. I bought them primarily due to reading this forum. Due to severe placement limitations, I needed a relatively shallow cabinet and there were few, if any, other towers that would fit. It’s my understanding that well behaved speakers, like the ELX, respond better to room correction and difficult rooms ( both of which I have) so that was a bonus. I haven’t enough experience to compare these to other towers as these are the first towers I’ve ever owned.
 
Titan? Never heard of it. Is that an oldie?
Tweeter versions:
"Featuring our custom Titan dome tweeter built for us by SEAS in Norway, the Titan provides high frequency extension to 28kHz with exceptional transient response and ideal directivity. It features extremely wide dispersion, low distortion and very high-power handling. Highs are crisp and airy with effortless dynamics and multiple layers of detail without ever sound harsh or fatiguing.

For those seeking even higher levels of detail and transparency combined with improved soundstage width and imaging, we offer a tweeter upgrade using our customized version of the best true ribbon tweeter on this planet, the RAAL 70-20xram, utilizing an amorphous core transformer (as opposed to iron/ferrite core.)"

 
Of course, the Titan or the RAAL tweeters. I have the ElX-RAAL towers.
 
I needed a relatively shallow cabinet and there were few, if any, other towers that would fit. It’s my understanding that well behaved speakers, like the ELX, respond better to room correction and difficult rooms ( both of which I have) so that was a bonus. I haven’t enough experience to compare these to other towers as these are the first towers I’ve ever owned.
I agree. In the end you have a room of fixed size with some damping and want to reach enough SPL and flat FR at listening place. If this can be reached with smaller cabinet and smaller drivers, maybe this approach is superior to a big tower like F228.
Subjectively for my situation, boomines is way less. Still my wife is stepping downstairs into my listening room (living room) being upset about too much bass, she feels the air pressure has been increased to unpleasend levels upstairs. This is some oberservation of my wife's behavior which came new with the ELX.
The more I listen to them, the more I am blown away how enjoyable the are.
 
I agree. In the end you have a room of fixed size with some damping and want to reach enough SPL and flat FR at listening place. If this can be reached with smaller cabinet and smaller drivers, maybe this approach is superior to a big tower like F228.
Subjectively for my situation, boomines is way less. Still my wife is stepping downstairs into my listening room (living room) being upset about too much bass, she feels the air pressure has been increased to unpleasend levels upstairs. This is some oberservation of my wife's behavior which came new with the ELX.
The more I listen to them, the more I am blown away how enjoyable the are.
I wish people would stop using the word "pressure". There is no appreciable pressure change caused by a transducer. It produces waves through a medium (air) that are felt and heard, that is all. Your wife is feeling the low frequencies, she's not complaining about the temperature increasing...
 
I wish people would stop using the word "pressure". There is no appreciable pressure change caused by a transducer. It produces waves through a medium (air) that are felt and heard, that is all. Your wife is feeling the low frequencies, she's not complaining about the temperature increasing...
It is called sound pressure level though.
 
I wish people would stop using the word "pressure". There is no appreciable pressure change caused by a transducer. It produces waves through a medium (air) that are felt and heard, that is all.

It is called sound pressure level though.
We both know people use the term to describe low bass, and subsonic frequencies; just like he did.

No one goes around talking about midrange pressure...come on guys.

In either circumstance, the air pressure in the room does not change.

The way the term is being used relentlessly has nothing to do with overall SPL, or micro deviations in air pressure along a specific listening axis or vector.
 
In either circumstance, the air pressure in the room does not change.
If it didn't change, we would not hear anything. There is the background mean pressure, which stays relatively constant (e.g., subject to weather), and pressure fluctuations caused by sound waves. After all, isn't our ear a very sensitive frequency-dependent pressure transducer? That pressure concept seems to work well for B&K, Shure, and other brands of microphones. In any case, I expect that Morse & Ingard got their acoustics theory correct. :)
 
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There is no appreciable pressure change caused by a transducer. It produces waves through a medium (air) that are felt and heard, that is all. Your wife is feeling the low frequencies, she's not complaining about the temperature increasing...
You are wrong. It always helps to thing about a speaker having a frequency response down to 0Hz. A hypothetical 0Hz tone would increase your air pressure from 1013hPa upwards, depending on the volume. At 0Hz, you also do not suffer from any room modes etc. You would also observe an increase in room temperature due to higher density of molecules per volume.
My wife is complaining about too many air molecules reaching her ear at a frequency about 50Hz. Those nasty molecules also fit to structural modes of our furniture leading to shot term displacement.

No one goes around talking about midrange pressure...come on guys.
I do so as there is physically no difference of sound pressure at low or high frequencies.
 
In either circumstance, the air pressure in the room does not change.
Well it doesn't change averaged over time, but it does change averaged oven the room volume when the frequency is below the room modes
 
Supposing you have a super engineered, technically adept loudspeaker with cardioid functionality from 60hz and up, providing a constant directivity pattern.

What happens to "room pressurization" now? The term becomes meaningless and can no longer be used. And thus hits at my point, the term is so-cited to describe loads of bass felt all over and outside the room.

Anyway, enough from me off-topic.
 
I cannot follow you. But if you have access to a pair of ELX, try "James Blake - Limit to your love" and experience your room being pressurized.
 
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It depends on the source of the "sound pressure level".
Noise = bad, harmful, maybe dangerous! Your favorite music = good.
 
Looks like you get a 30 day Satisfaction guarantee. Maybe that's worth a try.....at least for the ELX Towers.
 
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