Kef Blade 1 meta disappointed

[HeadDoc12]

I was not talking about price alone. That is their flagship for advertising to say they are still in the hi fi market. The Blades represent very little on their bottom line. As for serious audiophiles looking for high end speaker in that price range, The blades will not be on their list.

Um, so we can better understand your perspective, what WOULD be on that list?

 

[Theta]

It depends on the definition of "serious audiophiles", I guess you mean such with fat cables and cable lifters and yes, such have "true golden ears" and would never buy any mainstream audio devices with great measurements like most of us ASR members "which just look at measurements and only listen to sine sweeps" as they better know that such "simply aren't musical".

Fat cables and cable lifter are BS, of course, measurement are essential if you are a speaker manufacturer, but saying that measurements tell the whole story is also BS. A stand mount with the best measurements is not equal or better than a 4 way quadri- amplified speaker that does not measure quiet as well, in fact Klippel can't even measure large speakers such as Infinity IRS. Large ATC's are also a good exemple. There is underlying consensus that expensive large speakers manufacturers are dishonest because they don't submit to Klippel measurements. Klippel is good excuse for punters on this forum to voice an opinions on speakers they can't afford, have never heard or even seen.

 

[Theta]

Um, so we can better understand your perspective, what WOULD be on that list?

Too many to mention.

 

[thewas]

Fat cables and cable lifter are BS, of course, measurement are essential if you are a speaker manufacturer, but saying that measurements tell the whole story is also BS.

With this post you just show that you have no real understanding of the topic.

A stand mount with the best measurements is not equal or better than a 4 way quadri- amplified speaker that does not measure quiet as well,

??? Nope, quad amplification doesn't make a loudspeaker sound better than a better measuring one.

in fact Clippel can't even measure large speakers such as Infinity IRS. Large ATC's are also a good exemple. There is underlying consensus that expensive large speakers manufacturers are dishonest because they don't submit to Clippel measurements. Clippel is good excuse for punters on this forum to voice an opinions on speakers they can't afford, have never heard or even seen.

Totally wrong, first of all its Klippel and not Clippel, second its the Klippel NFS which is just one of Klippel packages to get an automatised spinorama, third you can get extensions for it measure larger loudspeaker (NFS is a method and be applied also to to any modified hardware) and fourth and more important you don't need an NFS to get a spinorama, it just makes measurements faster and more precise in the bass region, spinoramas were obtained long before the NFS was invented, for example with large chambers like Dynaudio has or using gating technique even for amateurs. Sorry to burst your bubble of excuse of jealous ASR punters.

 

[Purité Audio]

 

[MAB]

in fact Clippel can't even measure large speakers such as Infinity IRS. Large ATC's are also a good exemple. There is underlying consensus that expensive large speakers manufacturers are dishonest because they don't submit to Clippel measurements. Clippel is good excuse for punters on this forum to voice an opinions on speakers they can't afford, have never heard or even seen.

This is 100% incorrect, and displays a complete lack of understanding of what Klippel scanners do, and also manages to repeatedly misspell the scientist's name. Who are you calling a punter? Also, your comment about affordability comes across as incredibly elitist, and I will add completely consistent with not knowing what you are talking about.

 

[kharan]

A stand mount with the best measurements is not equal or better than a 4 way quadri- amplified speaker that does not measure quiet as well

It is also a mistake to think that a small stand mount can measure identically as a large speaker and that large speakers don't have characteristics (owing to their size) where they can outshine small speakers.

 

[Theta]

This is 100% incorrect, and displays a complete lack of understanding of what Klippel scanners do, and also manages to repeatedly misspell the scientist's name. Who are you calling a punter? Also, your comment about affordability comes across as incredibly elitist, and I will add completely consistent with not knowing what you are talking about.

I corrected the spelling, sorry English not my first language. I understand your opinion differs from mine. But "you don't know what you are talking about"? What credential do you have and what credentials do you think I lack that allows you to make such a (rude) statement?

 

[MAB]

I corrected the spelling, sorry English not my first language. I understand your opinion differs from mine. But "you don't know what you are talking about"? What credential do you have and what credentials do you think I lack that allows you to make such a (rude) statement?

The name Klippel is German, English has nothing to do with it, don't make excuses when you clearly haven't taken the time to understand or read the work. Especially important when trying to cast shade on the technology and interpretations of data.

It's not your or my credentials, or lack thereof. An understanding of the research and technology behind a NFS methodology would help you know what you are talking about. The papers and posters on the Klippel site are in many cases easy to read, even for non-technical. Detailed videos of who scanners work. Examples of large speakers being measured are also available all over the web. You clearly didn't know or understand this.

You just called many of the ASR membership 'punters', in a post where you got every fact and concept wrong, including misspelling the name of the researcher repeatedly and not because of some English problem. Many of these members you called punters actually understand NFS and interpret the results for what they are. You posted some really wrong stuff, and I am at a loss for words as to how to explain it to you in a way that doesn't sound rude. Also, the reasons and credentials for you to call people punters are not interesting to me, so don't even bother. Just don't act like a jerk and then play the victim.

edit: typo

 

[BeeKay]

Even if lazy (and I sometimes have to include me in this group) - a 5 minute visit at DeepSeek or ChatGPT would haven given you the concept in an easily digestible manner.

 

[LSPhil]

I haven’t had the opportunity to listen to either the KEF Blade 1 Meta or the GoldenEar Triton 1R. However, as an amateur, I can confidently say that the Triton appears to be a better design than the Blade. This is primarily due to its four chassis, which radiate at around 1 kHz at -12 dB in all directions, potentially interfering with the midrange driver. At this frequency, the drivers start to become directional, creating reflections within the room. This can result in a perceived dullness in the soundstage. While measurements might look impressive in an anechoic chamber, real-world room acoustics tell a different story. Additionally, when you consider the size of the midrange driver, I’m not convinced that the waveform alone can compensate for its limitations. After all, the surface area of the diaphragm cannot be replaced.

 

[Theta]

The name Klippel is German, English has nothing to do with it, don't make excuses when you clearly haven't taken the time to understand or read the work. Especially important when trying to cast shade on the technology and interpretations of data.

It's not your or my credentials, or lack thereof. An understanding of the research and technology behind a NFS methodology would help you know what you are talking about. The papers and posters on the Klippel site are in many cases easy to read, even for non-technical. Detailed videos of who scanners work. Examples of large speakers being measured are also available all over the web. You clearly didn't know or understand this.

You just called many of the ASR membership 'punters', in a post where you got every fact and concept wrong, including misspelling the name of the researcher repeatedly and not because of some English problem. Many of these members you called punters actually understand NFS and interpret the results for what they are. You posted some really wrong stuff, and I am at a loss for words as to how to explain it to you in a way that doesn't sound rude. Also, the reasons and credentials for you to call people punters are not interesting to me, so don't even bother. Just don't act like a jerk and then play the victim.

edit: typo

Now I am a Jerk, better and better. Thank you for the history and spelling lesson, apparently Klippel is the only method of measurement you recognize, it is also apparent that you know nothing about speaker room interaction, listener position and distance to point source and modern technology like Dolby Atmos. You are the exact reason lots of studio and audio experts (they exist), shy away and ridicule this forum, which I enjoy and support. I call for the moderator to end this discussion.

 

[Mikig]

You are the exact reason lots of studio and audio experts (they exist), shy away and ridicule this forum, which I enjoy and support. I call for the moderator to end this discussion.

sorry to butt in: I would have liked to have my say on the matter, but after this...

I would first invite you to change the tone of the conversation or to close it, and to apologize to the entire forum

 

[Reddoc]

You just called many of the ASR membership 'punters'

Not that I agree with Theta or the tone of Theta's posts, but "punter", at least where I live, is not derogatory in any way.
It just means "the average bloke, man-in-the-street, person not-otherwise-specified"

 

[restorer-john]

This thread is an absolute sh#t-show.

How does a possibly poor demonstration of a pair of loudspeakers turn into this ridiculous argument?

Everyone needs to chill out.

 

[Chrispy]

The only place I could find to audition the Kef Blade 1 meta was Magnolia. I liked the KEF sound but no matter how I got them to move these around in the room, the imaging was horrible, which is what I expected them to be best at. The soundstage never went beyond the two speakers, and closing my eyes, I could easily point to both speakers. I currently have Goldenear Triton1r's and they image great, disappear in the room. My only issues with the GM's is the treble can be a bit harsh at times and the bass could be tighter though they do go very low. I know that there must be something wrong with the set up or equipt being used as the Blades should have imaged better than the GM's based upon their technology. Anyone have a similar experience and/or have these speakers in AZ who would let me hear them set up correctly?

Ignoring a lot of the in-between....did you try the Blades in your room where you use the GE/Fraudioquest speakers? (sorry, hate fraudioquest). Better way to control setup/environment....

 

[Sokel]

in fact Klippel can't even measure large speakers such as Infinity IRS. Large ATC's are also a good exemple.

It sure can, far larger than the big-ish ATC's.
In can measure truly big speakers:

 

[Bob from Florida]

Not that I agree with Theta or the tone of Theta's posts, but "punter", at least where I live, is not derogatory in any way.
It just means "the average bloke, man-in-the-street, person not-otherwise-specified"

I thought @Punter was the “truth about” whatever dude.

Stop feeding the “trolls”!

 

[AdamG]

I call for the moderator to end this discussion.

Be careful what you wish for. We can mange to have a civil and respectful conversation here. But….it requires respect from both directions. With that said. We ask for the tone of the conversation to chill out and learn how to disagree without the snark and backhand insults.

We come here to learn from each other. Admit that you don’t know everything, as we all must do as well. Seek to understand and treat interactions here as an opportunity to further hone your knowledge of Audio Science. Many here do have impressive credentials and accomplishments. You may as well. Share what you know. But be prepared to be challenged as you are welcome to challenge others. Do so with a common goal of learning and sharing your knowledge.

Let’s try to start over please. Thank you for your cooperation and understanding.

 

[HeadDoc12]

Too many to mention.

There are TOO MANY $35,000 pairs of speakers that serious audiophiles would consider before the KEF Blade Meta??