JBL studio 4410, speaker resolution

[dcolak]

What is your Array's setup that those 4410 are more holographic? Can you share some pics? No way those can generate bigger image than Array's, I think it is the matter of higher frequency energy / less bass that you think those have more holographic image...

Some of the speakers and rooms I enjoy.

 

[Tell]

Four different rooms with different TVs and stereos?
A bit off topic though. On topic it looks like a few different kinds of rooms with different acoustics. If you want to do a proper comparison you should really compare them in the same room.

 

[MEGB1262]

JBL studio 4410, speaker resolution

What is your Array's setup that those 4410 are more holographic? Can you share some pics? No way those can generate bigger image than Array's, I think it is the matter of higher frequency energy / less bass that you think those have more holographic image... Some of the speakers and...

www.audiosciencereview.com

in most of your room situations as posted in the post above the showstopper is the room itself, especially in more than one of the rooms where you have a door side with a side wall and the big window side with the big glass panels where the right side behave significantly different as the left side

may be the JBL 4410 is in one of the rooms with less asymmetrically behaving left / right situation

in some of the rooms even an expensive DRC will have a hard time to correct the room s(h)ituation a bit

but of course as always this is only my strictly personal opinion - Stefano

P.S.:

it takes me some time to buy at least a decent measuring system, CLIO pocket was my choice for easy to use and high availability

before that i was able to train my ears a little bit with a simple Genelec 2.1 studio system as nearfield listening experience with the room cut out

 

[dcolak]

What we are talking about here has nothing to do with rooms. All those speakers were moved through all the rooms and left i the one where they sounded the best.

I think a couple of members here did a good summary for me, why some speakers image so well and are so "transparent."

At least I now know there are other brands whose speakers can do the same. I'll be giving them a "hear" for sure.

 

[ckernel8]

measurements of FR give you the tonality info, horizontal directivity gives you the soundstage width/imaging depth info, distortion/compression tests inform you how much of the signal is clean/true to source and how much oddities the speaker is producing.

Not rocket science or anything. The Salon 2, like other Revels, likely has a ballooning directivity that sounds wide but not as precise. If you want to hear something similar to your JBL's, based on what you're saying you can buy a pair of Ascilab speakers, Genelec The Ones, Neumann KH series stuff or Any KEF.

Look at this and see how i can draw a straight line on the genelec whereas the revel goes up and down. Everything is consistently placed on the genelec, soundstage is consistent and will feel "deep".

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Some examples from JBL themselves, 4329P and JBL 708i
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When JBL wants they can make razor flat, nearly textbook perfect speakers in terms of directivity. Just 2 examples here. Just seeing these graphs makes me salivate at the soundstage depth. I've tried wide sounding speakers and narrower stuff and I'd take these speakers with depth any day of the week. You close your eyes and hear a snare, and feel like the reverb goes out into a black hole.

I doubt you're hearing this exact thing tho, considering the lack of a waveguide i doubt the speakers you're listening to are so perfectly controlled but if they are, that could explain what you're hearing. If not then you've just been duped by your brain and you wanted to stir something up here

I have the 4329Ps and they freakin rock my socks off. Sorry ot.

 

[mhardy6647]

I have the 4329Ps and they freakin rock my socks off. Sorry ot.

I feel that way about my Altecs.
Carry on.

 

[g_t_r]

Then probably 4410 are very nice speakers Proper drivers with proper implementation is key for success.

 

[gils]

Hello,

Please excuse my French, translated by Google.

I've always had a passion for JBL since I was very young, starting with Decade 36 (L36) speakers. I passed on this passion to my son, who prefers vintage models.

JBL is still just as exciting, even with PA equipment. Lacking the resources, I built some DIY 4344s.

We absolutely must preserve this equipment.


Bonjour,

Excuser mon français traduit par google.

J'ai toujours eu une passion pour JBL depuis mon plus jeune âge avec des decade 36 (L36), j'ai transmit le "virus" à mon fils sur des modèles "vintage" de préférence.

JBL est toujours aussi passionnant même avec du matos sono, faute de moyen, j'ai réalisé des 4344 diy .

Il ne faut surtout pas hésiter à faire perdurer ce matériel.











Cordialy

 

[dcolak]

Hello,

Please excuse my French, translated by Google.

I've always had a passion for JBL since I was very young, starting with Decade 36 (L36) speakers. I passed on this passion to my son, who prefers vintage models.

JBL is still just as exciting, even with PA equipment. Lacking the resources, I built some DIY 4344s.

We absolutely must preserve this equipment.


Bonjour,

Excuser mon français traduit par google.

J'ai toujours eu une passion pour JBL depuis mon plus jeune âge avec des decade 36 (L36), j'ai transmit le "virus" à mon fils sur des modèles "vintage" de préférence.

JBL est toujours aussi passionnant même avec du matos sono, faute de moyen, j'ai réalisé des 4344 diy .

Il ne faut surtout pas hésiter à faire perdurer ce matériel.











Cordialy

JBL is one of few brands that make speakers that do not fall apart when you listen loud. I had no idea old JBL's were so good!

 

[kemmler3D]

So, which measurement is for transparency?

There are many measurements that contribute to the subjective experience of transparency, I'm not sure why you're repeating this like a gotcha question as if there should be a single number or line graph, but science simply hasn't advanced that far.

My guess is these have wider dispersion in the treble but if you're not willing to measure them in your room and try to connect that to your experience, nobody is going to come to your house and do it for you.

 

[dcolak]

There are many measurements that contribute to the subjective experience of transparency, I'm not sure why you're repeating this like a gotcha question as if there should be a single number or line graph, but science simply hasn't advanced that far.

My guess is these have wider dispersion in the treble but if you're not willing to measure them in your room and try to connect that to your experience, nobody is going to come to your house and do it for you.

Why would I want someone to come to my house and measure my speakers?

They sound awesome. Hopefully one day reviews will include things like "transparency measurements." FR measurements do not cut it.

It might have something to do with those mids as well. I never thought I could hear so much detail (and I have been exposed to many good speakers.)

 

[kemmler3D]

Hopefully one day reviews will include things like "transparency measurements."

They do already, if you know how to read them, that's my point. Your explanation for "why do these speakers sound so transparent" is basically already done in post #4 and #5.

It's like asking for a single "realism" number for a TV. Could you come up with one? Maybe. It would just be a composite of other numbers and would tell us less about the equipment, though.

 

[dcolak]

They do already, if you know how to read them, that's my point. Your explanation for "why do these speakers sound so transparent" is basically already done in post #4 and #5.

It's like asking for a single "realism" number for a TV. Could you come up with one? Maybe. It would just be a composite of other numbers and would tell us less about the equipment, though.

Then do the composite as an additional parameter and call it transparency!

That would be great.

 

[gils]

Bonjour,

Les 4410 ressemblent beaucoup aux L96/4313, certainement un remake des petits monitors, de par leurs conceptions, les enceintes monitors sont souvent analytiques à "effet loupe" avec le medium en avant avec un grave assez sec (peu trainant) avec transitoires pas trop mauvaises d'où cette clarté ressenti.

La compression thermique est maitrisée chez JBL en ayant des moteurs bien ventilés avec des bobines mobiles bien dimensionnées ( 3"- 4")

Depuis les 4310, 4311, L100 etc........ cette caractéristique est propre à toute cette série d'enceinte de chez JBL.

JBL Professional 4410

jblpro.com

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Hello,

The 4410s are very similar to the L96/4313, certainly a remake of the smaller monitors. By design, monitor speakers are often analytical with a "magnifying glass effect," featuring a forward midrange and a fairly tight (not too sluggish) bass with reasonably good transient response, hence the perceived clarity.

JBL manages thermal compression effectively by using well-ventilated drivers with appropriately sized voice coils (3"-4").

Cordialy

 

[dagfinn]

https://jblpro.com/en/site_elements/4410-information

 

[dcolak]

That power compression looks impressive.

 

[dagfinn]

That power compression looks impressive.

I think they look pretty good on axis as well. I have the same 035Ti tweeter in my 250Ti, btw. The 250Ti was flagship for a while...

 

[ckernel8]

Hello,

Please excuse my French, translated by Google.

I've always had a passion for JBL since I was very young, starting with Decade 36 (L36) speakers. I passed on this passion to my son, who prefers vintage models.

JBL is still just as exciting, even with PA equipment. Lacking the resources, I built some DIY 4344s.

We absolutely must preserve this equipment.


Bonjour,

Excuser mon français traduit par google.

J'ai toujours eu une passion pour JBL depuis mon plus jeune âge avec des decade 36 (L36), j'ai transmit le "virus" à mon fils sur des modèles "vintage" de préférence.

JBL est toujours aussi passionnant même avec du matos sono, faute de moyen, j'ai réalisé des 4344 diy .

Il ne faut surtout pas hésiter à faire perdurer ce matériel.











Cordialy

You should be absolutely proud of this work. Those are some fantastic DIY clones. I wish my dad passed down a cool hobby to me.

Google Translate:
Vous pouvez être extrêmement fier de ce travail. Ce sont des répliques faites maison absolument fantastiques. J'aurais aimé que mon père me transmette une passion aussi intéressante.

 

[ckernel8]

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https://jblpro.com/en/site_elements/4410-information

Yeah this is just straight up a good speaker.

 

[dcolak]

It's been a month since I purchased them, I am still in shock. Dead can dance, so many instruments, sounds, texture and details of each instrument, in full crescendo, and I can still hear everything, sound waves washing over me, bringing the house down.

What in the world is going on. My Arrays are not like this, this is mighty impressive.

Never I have heard something like this.