JBL 4367 Review (was M2 'review')

[Thomas savage]

i think it is... but i differ to Frank,
the Audio Conjuring wizard.
certainly big on fantasy

 

[TBone]

i think it is... but i differ to Frank,
the Audio Conjuring wizard.
certainly big on fantasy

... audiophiles by nature, are big on fantasy.

 

[Thomas savage]

... audiophiles by nature, are big on fantasy.

hey i just dress up at the weekends..

 

[TBone]

hey i just dress up at the weekends..

i hear ya brother ...

 

[fas42]

i think it is... but i differ to Frank,
the Audio Conjuring wizard.
certainly big on fantasy

The point being, is that I have the original CD releases of the early albums - which have huge sound engineered into them. An incompetent system will make a total mess of these - I've heard the damage done on a number of occasions, they shrivel up into horribleness if the rig can't unravel the sound - so anything less than that standard of the originals is a shocker ...

 

[Thomas savage]

The point being, is that I have the original CD releases of the early albums - which have huge sound engineered into them. An incompetent system will make a total mess of these - I've heard the damage done on a number of occasions, they shrivel up into horribleness if the rig can't unravel the sound - so anything less than that standard of the originals is a shocker ...

ok, the year of release?(1984 i think) so i can track one down. i have the cica 1994 remastered versions.

 

[fas42]

Wouldn't you know it ... Led Zep I has run away and hid itself for the moment - anyway, this was purchased mid 80's, and I note on another forum the post:

"The remasters are junk. Get the Barry Diament mastered originals. They sound much better."

Our Barry seems to be the man to look for ...

 

[TBone]

Thomas, if so inclined, keep an eye out for early Barry Diament 80's originals CDs, I,II,III,IV and Houses, if memory serves. From a DR point of view, their the best measured digital versions going. That alone wets my whistle ...

edit, these CD were prone to cd rot, and many flacked, easily damaged, so be careful ...

 

[fas42]

There you go ... you've got the magic information, twice now ...

 

[NorthSky]

You guys are fas, I'm slo.

* http://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/jbl-m2-review.190/page-4#post-4782

 

[TBone]

bob, you created an endless loop ...

 

[NorthSky]

bob, you created an endless loop ...

If I did that it must be close to Good Friday. And then Keith created a false alarm regarding the M2.

 

[Thomas savage]

Thomas, if so inclined, keep an eye out for early Barry Diament 80's originals CDs, I,II,III,IV and Houses, if memory serves. From a DR point of view, their the best measured digital versions going. That alone wets my whistle ...

edit, these CD were prone to cd rot, and many flacked, easily damaged, so be careful ...

i found a jap release of I that's 1986... that will be the Barry Diament original. i will buy it and wack on 'Good times bad time' (my favorite LZ track) and compare with my 94 remasters.. i have a 2014 remaster of I too...

thanks for the info

 

[TBone]

thomas, not certain if the early Japanees are BD releases. Do you have the sku#?

 

[AJ Soundfield]

The measurements? Not bad @ all, but then the Magicos and Genelecs and ATCs measure nice as well.

No.
My Dr. and I look at an MRI, we see 2 different things. Seeing measurements and understanding what they mean are 2 different things.

And measurements there are so many of them, and all the rooms measure differently, and the preamplifiers and amplifiers as well (some are better matching partners than others, and that too will affect those measurements

No.
Unless pathological, the system prior to the terminals should play no role in what one hears, which are soundwaves, transduced by the speakers. Now yes, different rooms will affect that perception, but when the speakers are designed like Harman does, above around 400-500hz or so, binaural hearing systems tend to hear through the room, again, unless pathological. There should be a great deal of consistency in sound >500hz, room to room. Unfortunately, below 500hz, this is not the case. So indeed, as you say there will be differences that are far less predictable.
However, a tightly controlled directivity speaker like this has an excellent chance of sounding good in most rooms.

cheers,

AJ

 

[Thomas savage]

thomas, not certain if the early Japanees are BD releases. Do you have the sku#?

no your right it was sterling sound new york... canceled that then

thanks!

 

[fas42]

i found a jap release of I that's 1986... that will be the Barry Diament original. i will buy it and wack on 'Good times bad time' (my favorite LZ track) and compare with my 94 remasters.. i have a 2014 remaster of I too...

thanks for the info

Good choice ... when I first heard this being done 'right' on my system it blew me away - an absolutely amazing experience ... better than any sex, by golly ...

 

[fas42]

Okay, finally tracked down the number from another post from years ago: 240 031

Edit: from https://www.discogs.com/Led-Zeppelin-Led-Zeppelin/master/4126 - this is the exact version that I have:

Led Zeppelin ‎(CD, Album, RE) Atlantic 240 031 Germany 1986

 

[TBone]

no your right it was sterling sound new york... canceled that then

thanks!

no problem ... those early jap4japan versions are the most "funky" cds I've ever had to comprehend, .... harder to rip too ... some of the most wonderful and yet weirdest versions/pressings I've ever heard, esp their PF catalog, a wonder to hear even with R&R tape fluttering evident. The jap4us cds are much more consistent with the later North American releases ...

 

[Thomas savage]

Okay, finally tracked down the number from another post from years ago: 240 031

Edit: from https://www.discogs.com/Led-Zeppelin-Led-Zeppelin/master/4126 - this is the exact version that I have:

Led Zeppelin ‎(CD, Album, RE) Atlantic 240 031 Germany 1986

cool thanks! i tracked one down in holland.

we can go back to talking about wrongly named ugly studio monitors now..