ISO advice playing DSD 512 or 256

[staticV3]

I was suggesting that using the computer as a player might add noise.

It might if set up poorly, but computer playback does not inherently add noise.

Do PC->Optical->NAD M10 and use a bit-exact player like AIMP, foobar2000, Roon, JRiver etc. and all your music will be transmitted exactly as-is, with nothing added (not even noise), and nothing removed.

 

[Deleted member 91501]

Cool resource !

 

[JeremyFife]

I only know https://magicvinyldigital.net/

Thanks, I'd forgotten about this - it's an easy site to get lost in

 

[Deleted member 85326]

If you're curious and you can take my word for it, I have such a chain, I can play native DSD512 all the way.
The difference with PCM? Zero if done the right way.

The whole DSD thing is about its nice recordings.

Do mind elaborating on " done right" please ? My NAD concerts DSD to PCM and can do up to 24 bit 192 hz . I suspect that's all I need .... is this " done right " ?

 

[Sokel]

Do mind elaborating on " done right" please ? My NAD concerts DSD to PCM and can do up to 24 bit 192 hz . I suspect that's all I need .... is this " done right " ?

The honest answer I can give is that you only know if you measure.
There's a lot at play in every chain and the only way to know is messing with it, big time.

For example have a look here.

PCM vs DSD

Did a little comparison and I was wondering if any friend with better gear here has tested this. Results you're about to see is probably narrowed to the specific DAC but it's interesting to see how it handles things differently. I will not try to decipher the results other that DSD seems much...

www.audiosciencereview.com

That's an obviously flawed DAC despite it's praise at its start who strangely seems to do better at DSD.

And then it's the conversion itself, levels, etc.

On the other hand, do you hear anything strange at your chain? If not leave it as be.
At the end of the day you do need the PCM for EQ, RC, etc.

To go full DSD native means passive treatment, and down low is not easy.
I DO lsisten like this, lots of time, but my correction is minimal and the rest is passive any way so ditching it does not make much difference.

 

[Chrispy]

Got it. I love music. I love the recording "Jazz at the Pawnshop". I love it in vinyl and I love it in streaming. If you have this in DSD is it better than other players ?

I have that one in multich dsd (via SACD). It's a nice recording but the music itself, meh....let alone that there's any magic in the dsd version particularly. YMMV

 

[JRR]

Cool resource !

If you own a good pair of headphones you could buy a high performing headphone dac/amp for little and try testing it out that way. That being said, there are some fantastic masters on sacd which are well worth pursuing if you like the mastering style of Jazz at the pawnshop. Also more obscure is XRCD titles with similarity reworked older titles albeit in PCM. Native dsd, spirit of turtle, and the like have good sounding recordings but many are from artists that would not be given the time of day had it not been for the audiophile element. Good luck.

 

[Mnyb]

I do strangely enough like Jazz at the pawnshop ( flame me ) it's sounds exactly like it does at the venue "Stampen" it's a cramped jazz pub/club in Stockholm old Town .

Suppose it once was a pawnshop ?

Anyhow as good as the recording is , it's not because of the technical specs of the equipment used it's very modest stuff . But the recording and producing done by Gert Palmcrantz .
The technical limitations of the equipment used is such that you can capture the whole envelope of it with good old CD 16/44.1 as , the new master may have done other things to rectify some issues but the basic limit of the sources are what they are imho .

 

[JRR]

I do strangely enough like Jazz at the pawnshop ( flame me ) it's sounds exactly like it does at the venue "Stampen" it's a cramped jazz pub/club in Stockholm old Town .

Suppose it once was a pawnshop ?

Anyhow as good as the recording is , it's not because of the technical specs of the equipment used it's very modest stuff . But the recording and producing done by Gert Palmcrantz .
The technical limitations of the equipment used is such that you can capture the whole envelope of it with good old CD 16/44.1 as , the new master may have done other things to rectify some issues but the basic limit of the sources are what they are imho .

I don’t think he was critical of the sound quality. I think that he finds the polished scandi-jazz to be of “so-so” artistic interest and I would agree subjectively. As a side note I once read a Danish hi-fi review in which it was referred to as porn at the Jazzshop. Or maybe that was a more interesting version?

 

[Mnyb]

I don’t think he was critical of the sound quality. I think that he finds the polished scandi-jazz to be of “so-so” artistic interest and I would agree subjectively. As a side note I once read a Danish hi-fi review in which it was referred to as porn at the Jazzshop. Or maybe that was a more interesting version?

OP mentioned the DSD version of this albums as something he wanted to experience , i was pionting out that apart from the remaster work itself the intrinsic sq is that of an old analog recording .

 

[JRR]

OP mentioned the DSD version of this albums as something he wanted to experience , i was pionting out that apart from the remaster work itself the intrinsic sq is that of an old analog recording .

My mistake

 

[sunhuino1]

If you have a mac, you can use HI-Player developed by me, which supports reading iso/dff/dsf files, and also supports upconverting DSD format files to higher format dsd files for DAC playback. The specific Mac app store can be downloaded

 

[dualazmak]

Just for your possible reference and interest....
- Summary of rationales for "on-the-fly (real-time)" conversion of all music tracks (including 1 bit DSD tracks) into 88.2 kHz or 96 kHz PCM format for DSP (XO/EQ) processing: #532 on my project thread.

 

[dualazmak]

Also, let me suggest you reading carefully the thread;
Is DSD noise audible?

and the thread;
Does DSD recording benefit Japanese traditional instruments?
On that thread, I objectively and subjectively evaluated the DSD layer and CD layer of the specific hybrid SACD in my posts #42 and #56 (I also commented/noted in #59, #61 and #62).

 

[JSmith]

The OP, Richard, has gone and requested account deletion... of both accounts. So may not be much point in responding further I gather.


JSmith