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Is the following setup possible? (DAC/amp and interface related)

NecroRAM

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Currently I have an audio interface that runs my monitors, and a separately USB connected HP amp. I need to switch in Windows every time I want to use either. I need the interface to monitor my guitar processor and e-drums inputs, otherwise I wouldve gotten rid of it. Im looking to make it so I dont need to switch, or the switching can be made with a single physical quick button press rather than going through Windows. Either that, or a DAC/amp that has monitoring capability but doesnt skimp in the DAC/amp department AND doesnt cost a fortune like RME.

Im thinking of replacing my HP amp (K11) with one that has XLR outs, and the AI (Scarlett 4i4) with one that has more line inputs, running the XLR outs from the HP amp to the line-in of the interface and feeding the speakers through it. That way I get the benefit of the superior DAC in the HP amp while also retaining the monitoring capability.

Either that or:
1) Some mixer/monitor controller device that I can connect the line outputs of both the interface and the HP amp and switch with a button.
2) An all in one unit that has both a DAC/hp amp section and monitoring capability. I know an interface technically satisfies this criteria, but I need more of a solid DAC/amp first that just has monitoring (ie simultaneously active line/inst-ins) rather than an average interface that, again, skimp on the DAC/amp part. Preferably under a 400$-500$ budget, so the RME stuff is out of the question. I might consider an up to 1000$ device if it can definitely solve all of the above, have a built-in multi-output PEQ and switch between outputs with a single button (not a remote) or even have both speaker and hp outs active at the same time like an interface can.

Of course low latency is paramount, so I need all the routing from the instruments to the speakers be analog and with no processing if any might be present in the chain.
I was looking at upgrading both of my devices to Moto and either K13 R2R or Topping DX5 II respectively, but realized I need to find a solution to the above issues first before spending any money.

P.S. And seriously, why does no company think of making such a device? Seems like such a common use case. Most interfaces dont have 4.4mm or balanced hp outputs, generally either have generic DACs and amps or cost a fortune like the RME stuff. I dont think integrating the functionality of those 2 types of devices would drive the cost that much. We already have excellent devices of either type at 300$, combining both with some trade off and considering the common parts should land you at what, 500$? Sounds like a no brainer.

Thanks.
 
Bump.

Note to mods: can this be moved to amps/dacs section? I think the visibility here is low.
 
Don't most audio interfaces digitise the anaalogue inputs? In which case you lose any "benefit" of your "superior" DAC. Not that the difference is likely to be even close to audible.

Why not just take the RCA outputs of your K11 and feed theim into the Scarlett? If necessary via an inexpensive RCA switch?
 
MOTU M2/M4 has a reasonable (not amazing, but reasonable) headphone amp?

Yes but Im not replacing my standalone amp with that. I use the hp amp on my interface only for direct guitar monitoring when playing quietly in the night os something.
 
Don't most audio interfaces digitise the anaalogue inputs? In which case you lose any "benefit" of your "superior" DAC. Not that the difference is likely to be even close to audible.

Why not just take the RCA outputs of your K11 and feed theim into the Scarlett? If necessary via an inexpensive RCA switch?

Hm but then I lose the balanced signal right?. This is too messy of an issue for such a seemingly simple and common use case tbh, I cant seem to find a no-compromises solution any way I think about unless I spend a fortune.
 
Hm but then I lose the balanced signal right?. This is too messy of an issue for such a seemingly simple and common use case tbh, I cant seem to find a no-compromises solution any way I think about unless I spend a fortune.
Do you hear audible noise with the RCA connections? Or do you need the extra 6dB that balanced brings you. If the answer to both those is "no" you lose nothing by using the RCA.
 
Do you hear audible noise with the RCA connections? Or do you need the extra 6dB that balanced brings you. If the answer to both those is "no" you lose nothing by using the RCA.

I found the extra 6dBs a very nice addition when I switched to balanced cables, so yeah, dont wanna lose that.
 
Can’t you just take a feed out of the Scarlett into the headphone amp? (Or have I misunderstood which is more likely)
 
Can’t you just take a feed out of the Scarlett into the headphone amp? (Or have I misunderstood which is more likely)

No unless I add a TRS-optical adapter which I dont want to do. Basically I need to monitor some instrument inputs while also having outs to speakers and HP, either all with one device or some combination of whatever I have or will need to buy to achieve that goal. Nothing that Ive seen satisfies all the criteria as far as I can tell.
 
Let me get this straight:
You need low-latency monitoring, and you need different PEQ for speakers and headphones at the same time? I don't think even RME can do that. (Might be something for @MC_RME to think about...)

Your needs sit in the cross-section between musician and hi-fi enthusiast, which I would imagine is not the biggest niche. That doesn't bode well for hitting the kind of production numbers required for the kind of budget you are after. Unless you are willing to compromise somewhere you may well be looking at the empty set.

You may want to see whether using VB-Audio Matrix gets you anywhere. You may or may not hit your latency targets but it's sharewave and inexpensive enough to register. A headphone amp with analog inputs (say, a Topping L50) may still prove useful on top of that.
 
Let me get this straight:
You need low-latency monitoring, and you need different PEQ for speakers and headphones at the same time? I don't think even RME can do that. (Might be something for @MC_RME to think about...)

Your needs sit in the cross-section between musician and hi-fi enthusiast, which I would imagine is not the biggest niche. That doesn't bode well for hitting the kind of production numbers required for the kind of budget you are after. Unless you are willing to compromise somewhere you may well be looking at the empty set.

You may want to see whether using VB-Audio Matrix gets you anywhere. You may or may not hit your latency targets but it's sharewave and inexpensive enough to register. A headphone amp with analog inputs (say, a Topping L50) may still prove useful on top of that.

I do have that but the latency is not good. Think I'll keep my setup for the time being.

But yes, a device with 2 front inst/mic inputs, a 4.4mm and 6.5mm balanced headphone outputs with a good amp and a separate digital volume knob, good DAC, 2 to 4 line in/outs and XLR outputs and monitoring ability the size of a Scarlett/RME/Topping with front-facing i/o would be perfect. Again, I dont see how it could cost more than 5-600$ given we have great devices of either type for around 300$.
 
I do have that but the latency is not good. Think I'll keep my setup for the time being.

But yes, a device with 2 front inst/mic inputs, a 4.4mm and 6.5mm balanced headphone outputs with a good amp and a separate digital volume knob, good DAC, 2 to 4 line in/outs and XLR outputs and monitoring ability the size of a Scarlett/RME/Topping with front-facing i/o would be perfect. Again, I dont see how it could cost more than 5-600$ given we have great devices of either type for around 300$.
Doesn’t RME baby face pro fe do all of that?
 
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