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Is the Aiyima A80 the best for my needs?

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I'm thinking about buying the A80 but I would like a few opinions before buying to be sure that I'm making the right choice.
Here's what I need:
A stereo amp to listen to music and to connect to my TV to watch movies or TV shows with the best sound quality I can get.

Based on that I believe that I need or would like very much:
- An optical or HDMI arc input
- Remote control
- Powerful enough to power my speakers (currently old Hitachi HS-E20 of 40W 8Ω unknown sensitivity, I will update that in the future)
- Bluetooth would be appreciated

I was thinking of the Aiyima A80, it's seems pretty good to fit my needs but maybe you have different recommandations?
My budget is around 200€ maximum.
I live in France.
The dac and amp can be separated but I need to be able to turn them off remotely.
Thank you very much for reading this and any help given
 
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Hi, welcome to ASR!

The A80 checks the boxes and has good performance for the money. You won't notice any drag on the sound quality on the Aiyima except possibly at very high frequencies due to the slight load dependency. With 8ohm speakers you can expect +1.5dB @ 20khz which might just be noticeable if you have young ears. For most people, speakers, and audio content, this is a non-issue.


Within your budget and with the requirement that remote control power on/off is required I don't have additional recommendations off the top of my head.
 
Hi, welcome to ASR!

The A80 checks the boxes and has good performance for the money. You won't notice any drag on the sound quality on the Aiyima except possibly at very high frequencies due to the slight load dependency. With 8ohm speakers you can expect +1.5dB @ 20khz which might just be noticeable if you have young ears. For most people, speakers, and audio content, this is a non-issue.


Within your budget and with the requirement that remote control power on/off is required I don't have additional recommendations off the top of my head.
Hi, thank you for your answer!
I noticed the load dependency on the review of the A80 and even though I'm 19 I don't think that I hear frequencies that high and I don't listen at high volume so like you said this is a non-issue.
I'm glad to hear that you agree on the A80 being what would suit me. I will be buying it very soon (unless several people tell me otherwise)
 
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You can get a WiiM Amp for $220 on AliExpress: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809404390469.html

It ships from a US warehouse, for free.

The built-in room correction makes it easily a better buy than the A80
Thank you but I live in France and the price of the WiiM Amp is 370€ so way over my budget. I realize that putting the price in USD wasn't the best idea, I thought that I would do it so everyone can know how much I have no matter their native currency (because the conversion to USD from native currency is pretty well-known).
 
I'm thinking about buying the A80 but I would like a few opinions before buying to be sure that I'm making the right choice.
Here's what I need:
An amp stereo amp to listen to music and to connect to my TV to watch movies or TV shows with the best sound quality I can get.

Based on that I believe that I need or would like very much:
- An optical or HDMI arc input
- Remote control
- Powerful enough to power my speakers (currently old Hitachi HS-E20 of 40W 8Ω unknown sensitivity, I will update that in the future)
- Bluetooth would be appreciated

I was thinking of the Aiyima A80, it's seems pretty good to fit my needs but maybe you have different recommandations?
My budget is around $200 USD maximum
The dac and amp can be separated but I need to be able to turn them off remotely.
Thank you very much for reading this and any help given
A80 is indeed a good choice, saying this with long term use of it.
Another 2 that might be of interest are:
a) Wiim’s amp line up - seems like you ruled out because of price, but also note that A80 can output more measured power.
b) O-Noorus D3 Pro - hasn’t tested here yet but seems to be very well made and has HDMI ARC with power (similar to A80 in power)
 
A80 is indeed a good choice, saying this with long term use of it.
Another 2 that might be of interest are:
a) Wiim’s amp line up - seems like you ruled out because of price, but also note that A80 can output more measured power.
b) O-Noorus D3 Pro - hasn’t tested here yet but seems to be very well made and has HDMI ARC with power (similar to A80 in power)
Unfortunately, in France the WiiM Amp lineup starts at almost twice my budget (370€) so that won't be possible for me. I will check out the O-Noorus D3 Pro, I didn't know about this one.
Thank you for your answer!
 
I'm thinking about buying the A80 but I would like a few opinions before buying to be sure that I'm making the right choice.
Here's what I need:
A stereo amp to listen to music and to connect to my TV to watch movies or TV shows with the best sound quality I can get.

Based on that I believe that I need or would like very much:
- An optical or HDMI arc input
- Remote control
- Powerful enough to power my speakers (currently old Hitachi HS-E20 of 40W 8Ω unknown sensitivity, I will update that in the future)
- Bluetooth would be appreciated

I was thinking of the Aiyima A80, it's seems pretty good to fit my needs but maybe you have different recommandations?
My budget is around 200€ maximum.
I live in France.
The dac and amp can be separated but I need to be able to turn them off remotely.
Thank you very much for reading this and any help given

what speakers will you be mating with the amp?
 
what speakers will you be mating with the amp?
For now I will be using old Hitachi HS-E20 (bookshelves speakers) that were included in a HiFi system that was made in the beginning of the 80s that belonged to my grandmother.
I can't find much information on them.
They were sold as a bundle with this Amp [Hitachi HA-1](https://www.hifiengine.com/manual_library/hitachi/ha-1.shtml). On the back panel it says "Impedance : 8 Ohms" and "Max power : 40W" no other informations.

I will be using them until I can afford better ones but having money to spend is quite difficult right now.
 
As you're in France and short of funds for the moment might I suggest Davis Hera 70 (currently on offer from Darty) as a bargain speaker choice - you'll be amazed!
 
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As you're in France and short of funds for the moment might I suggest Davis Hera 70 (currently on offer from Darty) as a bargain speaker choice - you'll be amazed!
Thank you for this recommendation! I'll keep it in mind when I have enough to upgrade the speakers too but for now I'll get an amp since I only have enough for it and try to save a little money when I can.
 
A80 is indeed a good choice, saying this with long term use of it.
Another 2 that might be of interest are:
a) Wiim’s amp line up - seems like you ruled out because of price, but also note that A80 can output more measured power.
b) O-Noorus D3 Pro - hasn’t tested here yet but seems to be very well made and has HDMI ARC with power (similar to A80 in power)
I took a look at the D3 Pro and it really seems to be a great device. I wish there was a review here with detailed measurements. Do you think it is worth 55€ more though?
The A80 is 200€
The D3 Pro is 255€
 
For now I will be using old Hitachi HS-E20 (bookshelves speakers) that were included in a HiFi system that was made in the beginning of the 80s that belonged to my grandmother.
I can't find much information on them.
They were sold as a bundle with this Amp [Hitachi HA-1](https://www.hifiengine.com/manual_library/hitachi/ha-1.shtml). On the back panel it says "Impedance : 8 Ohms" and "Max power : 40W" no other informations.

I will be using them until I can afford better ones but having money to spend is quite difficult right now.

Those speakers should be fine for now if they work correctly.
They have a sensitivity of 90db/1watt which is not too bad, better than many bookshelf speakers these days so they don't need a ton of power
and that means you have more flexibility in finding an low cost amp. You don't need all the power that the A80 puts out.
I would go with this SMSL A50 Pro for only 99 Euros and sold there in France...
It has everything you need and you have 100 euros left over in your budget to maybe add a passive subwoofer,
or maybe you could find some better speakers on the used market for that price?...


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Here's a review of it...
 
Those speakers should be fine for now if they work correctly.
They have a sensitivity of 90db/1watt which is not too bad, better than many bookshelf speakers these days so they don't need a ton of power
and that means you have more flexibility in finding an low cost amp. You don't need all the power that the A80 puts out.
I would go with this SMSL A50 Pro for only 99 Euros and sold there in France...
It has everything you need and you have 100 euros left over in your budget to maybe add a passive subwoofer,
or maybe you could find some better speakers on the used market for that price?...


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Thanks for all this information! I looked at a lot of DAC/Amp combo during my research, the SMSL A50 Pro was one of the first I saw actually. Unfortunately, I have seen multiple and opinions saying it's not very good. Apparently the distortion is pretty bad, some features like the HDMI arc seems to not work correctly on several units and I think it's not CEC compatible. An in-between the A50 Pro and the A80 would maybe be an Aiyima D03 even though it doesn't have a passive sub out. But even on the D03 there was several bad reviews... The A80 was pretty much the first one still "affordable" for me where people actually agreed that it was pretty good. Someone recommended the O-Noorus D3 Pro which seems good too but is even more expensive (255€) so I don't really know what to think about it.
There were also the Loxjie A30, the SMSL AD18, Fosi 2120C, etc... most of them had mixed reviews too.
 
Thanks for all this information! I looked at a lot of DAC/Amp combo during my research, the SMSL A50 Pro was one of the first I saw actually. Unfortunately, I have seen multiple and opinions saying it's not very good. Apparently the distortion is pretty bad, some features like the HDMI arc seems to not work correctly on several units and I think it's not CEC compatible. An in-between the A50 Pro and the A80 would maybe be an Aiyima D03 even though it doesn't have a passive sub out. But even on the D03 there was several bad reviews... The A80 was pretty much the first one still "affordable" for me where people actually agreed that it was pretty good. Someone recommended the O-Noorus D3 Pro which seems good too but is even more expensive (255€) so I don't really know what to think about it.
There were also the Loxjie A30, the SMSL AD18, Fosi 2120C, etc... most of them had mixed reviews too.

you can't always trust people's opinions because they are often biased for various reasons. For example most people think that more expensive products automatically sound better and that's not always true especially with class-d chip amplifiers. Plus many people use very inefficient/insensitive speakers that only sound optimal with higher powered amps. On top of that, everyone has their own opinion of what good sound is and they are biased by things like specifications and test results versus how something actually sounds. Not saying you should ignore all opinions, just you have to be careful. And that's why you will read "mixed reviews" about products.

I've read/heard many absolutely horrible reviews online lately in my search for a new amp. And my situation is even much more difficult because 1) I listen to a lot of natural instrument music...vocals, piano, guitar, jazz,etc. and 2) my speakers are very different than most people's being highly sensitive 96db and very large.

of course if you like to listen to your music very loud and you have 87db sensitive speakers (even worse if it's a big listening room) then the A50 Pro and many other amps that use any chip other than the TPA3255 can have more distortion.

The truth is your speaker's sensitivity is probably the most important thing to consider when choosing what amps you should be considering. It's why some people spend a lot of money on like 10 watt tube amps that sound awesome if paired with appropriately sensitive speakers but sound horrible otherwise (and they don't look good specs-wise on paper or in tests).

Everything can sound good or bad if the system components are badly matched.
I've owned everything from hundreds of watts NAD and Hafler solid state amps to 3 to 8 watt tube amps. And speakers from low sensitivity multi driver Polk's to highly sensitive full range single driver open baffle loudspeakers. And so I've learned a lot. And one is most opinions don't mean shit and niether does a lot of test results... most of it is biased and not accurate...trust only what your own ears tell you.

good luck.
 
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Thanks for all this information! I looked at a lot of DAC/Amp combo during my research, the SMSL A50 Pro was one of the first I saw actually. Unfortunately, I have seen multiple and opinions saying it's not very good. Apparently the distortion is pretty bad, some features like the HDMI arc seems to not work correctly on several units and I think it's not CEC compatible. An in-between the A50 Pro and the A80 would maybe be an Aiyima D03 even though it doesn't have a passive sub out. But even on the D03 there was several bad reviews... The A80 was pretty much the first one still "affordable" for me where people actually agreed that it was pretty good. Someone recommended the O-Noorus D3 Pro which seems good too but is even more expensive (255€) so I don't really know what to think about it.
There were also the Loxjie A30, the SMSL AD18, Fosi 2120C, etc... most of them had mixed reviews too.

Im curious about the A50 Pro negative opinions, can you post some links to them?
I've never understood the lack of popularity of pretty much all of the products sold that use the Infineon amp chips like the A50 Pro uses
My suspicion is it's because they are lower power and those people are using inefficient speakers.

I wonder the same thing about the TPA3221 chip used in the Fosi Audio MC331...is almost nobody using it just because it's lower power than the TPA3255 and most people use inefficient speakers?
 
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So just for my own research since I'm also looking for a new integrated amp, anything below $300, I'm digging a little into the SMSL A50 Pro.
And as I said I don't believe that low cost necessarily means low quality sound, so I don't really care which amp is more or less expensive.

I'm always more than a little curious when an amp designer chooses another chip besides the TPA3255 that 95% to 99% of all class-d amps use, such as the TPA3221 chip used in the Fosi MC331 and the MA12070P chip used in the SMSL A50 Pro.

Both chips are a lot lower power than the TPA3255 but very well could sound better used within their intended power output range, which is likely easy with speakers of say 93db/1watt or greater sensitivity.

The MA12070P and the A50 Pro in general is an interesting design. The internal circuit board looks very empty. It doesn't have the common NE5532 opamp chips and many other larg capitors, inductors, and a big heat sink for the amp chip, etc... that most class-d amps have.
Internally it looks much more like a DAC than a power amp. When you research the MA12070P you learn why:
The MA12070P is a fully integrated Class D amplifier IC that uses multi-level switching technology for high power efficiency and low distortion.

It eliminates the need for many external components such as discrete op-amps, DACs, or analog amplification stages.

This integration leads to a much simpler, cleaner, and more compact PCB layout with fewer components visible.

The small board size and minimal components reflect the efficiency and compactness of the MA12070P’s all-in-one design.

Electronic volume control, crossover, and EQ are implemented digitally within the chip or via associated microcontrollers, not requiring external analog op-amps.

The implications of this are... 1)less manufacturing cost and so you can sell a product cheaper, and 2) there are less chips, capacitors, resistors, etc in the signal path (which is normally a good thing). Or at least less external things in the path. There is more internal things, inside the MA12070P chip itself. So the resulting sound could be better or worse depending on how well the chip has been designed.

When I asked an AI agent about the sound of the MA12070P compared to the TPA3255 the quoted text below was the response.

(keep in mind this is really just pulling people's opinions on average from sites like DIYAudio and AudioScienceReview)...
The sound character comparison between the Infineon MA12070P and the Texas Instruments TPA3255, based on user impressions and measured performance, is nuanced:

  • The MA12070P is praised for its very low noise floor and high efficiency, delivering clean, smooth, and detailed sound especially at lower to moderate power levels typical in portable or desktop use. It is considered less harsh or "bright" by some listeners, offering a smoother and more even frequency response and better stereo separation.

  • The TPA3255, on the other hand, is a high-power Class D amplifier chip capable of very high output power with excellent dynamics. It has industry-leading low noise and distortion specs and can sound extremely clean and powerful, rivaling Class A amplifiers in some setups. However, it may sound slightly more clinical or less "smooth" compared to the MA12070P, particularly in cheaper implementations without meticulous analog front-end design.

  • In summary, the MA12070P tends to provide a smoother, more laid-back sound character on average, while the TPA3255 excels in power handling, clarity, and dynamics but can sometimes sound less warm or smooth depending on implementation.

  • Many audiophiles suggest the MA12070P is ideal for lower power, high-fidelity applications with positive subjective impressions on smoothness and stereo imaging, whereas the TPA3255 suits high-power, high-performance setups where sheer output and dynamic control are critical.
Therefore, there is a perceptible sound characteristic difference: the MA12070P is typically "smoother" sounding, less bright or harsh, especially in modest power applications, compared to the more powerful, neutral, and dynamic TPA3255.

And here below is a picture of the inside of the SMSL A50 Pro.
If you've seen the internals of many class-d amps and DACs you know how strange this looks for a loudspeaker power amplifier especially a 2.1 amp with powered sub-out. It looks unbelievably empty. And btw, the other side of the board has nothing on it except two small bars of aluminum that transfers heat from the two power chips to the case.

But I view this more as a possible positive versus a probable negative,
because when it comes to audio equipment I believe less is usually better than more.... less power, less stuff in the signal path, etc.

but... really to a large degree the question comes down to
how good sounding is the MA12070P amp chip and it's internal DAC ... if... it puts out enough power for YOUR speakers?

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but... really to a large degree the question comes down to
how good sounding is the MA12070P amp chip and it's internal DAC ... if... it puts out enough power for YOUR speakers?
I already wrote in the SMSL A100 topic that the MA12070 microcircuit can sound very good and high-quality, if you do not skimp on everything. MA12070 has a very original switching circuit for power transistors at the output, which gives a high equivalent switching frequency and low power consumption. A high-quality amplifier with this microcircuit should have:

1. Output chokes and capacitors. Without them, the length of the wires is limited to several tens of cm. The design without chokes is used in portable devices and active acoustics with a length of speaker wires of 10-20 cm. Chinese manufacturers very often save on chokes and produce a separate amplifier, in which the length of speaker wires can be 1-2 meters. This is not good.

2. There should be two microcircuits, one per channel. This microcircuit has an operating mode for one speaker. Distortion is naturally lower than when one microcircuit operates for two speakers.

3. A microcontroller must be installed that switches the chip's power profile from profile 0 (the most economical and low-quality, set by default) to profile 2 (the highest quality and slightly less economical). In this mode, the spectrum and high-frequency noise graphs of the MA 12070 are better than those of the TPA3255.
 
Output chokes and capacitors. Without them, the length of the wires is limited to several tens of cm. The design without chokes is used in portable devices and active acoustics with a length of speaker wires of 10-20 cm. Chinese manufacturers very often save on chokes and produce a separate amplifier, in which the length of speaker wires can be 1-2 meters. This is not good.
I already wrote in the SMSL A100 topic that the MA12070 microcircuit can sound very good and high-quality, if you do not skimp on everything. MA12070 has a very original switching circuit for power transistors at the output, which gives a high equivalent switching frequency and low power consumption. A high-quality amplifier with this microcircuit should have:

1. Output chokes and capacitors. Without them, the length of the wires is limited to several tens of cm. The design without chokes is used in portable devices and active acoustics with a length of speaker wires of 10-20 cm. Chinese manufacturers very often save on chokes and produce a separate amplifier, in which the length of speaker wires can be 1-2 meters. This is not good.

2. There should be two microcircuits, one per channel. This microcircuit has an operating mode for one speaker. Distortion is naturally lower than when one microcircuit operates for two speakers.

3. A microcontroller must be installed that switches the chip's power profile from profile 0 (the most economical and low-quality, set by default) to profile 2 (the highest quality and slightly less economical). In this mode, the spectrum and high-frequency noise graphs of the MA 12070 are better than those of the TPA3255.

How did you determine that output filters is needed?
Below is what an AI agent said with the data pulled primarily from Infineon published docs.
Granted Infineon could be twisting the truth?

Btw, the "P" version of the chip includes a DAC and accepts I2S input while the non "P" version accepts only analog input.


Both the MA12070 and MA12070P chips are designed to support filterless operation at their rated power, meaning you generally do not need a traditional capacitor and inductor (LC) low-pass filter between the amplifier output and the loudspeaker.

Key points from Infineon's application notes:

  • The multi-level PWM switching scheme used by these chips produces significantly less high-frequency noise and common-mode voltage than conventional Class D amplifiers, enabling operation without large output filters.
  • For typical speaker cable lengths up to about 60 cm, a small ferrite bead filter combined with a capacitor to ground on each output line is typically sufficient to meet EMI/EMC requirements and suppress noise.
  • For longer speaker cables or stringent EMI regulations, a full LC filter (inductor + capacitor) may be required, but this depends on the application and cable length.
  • The chips include power management to optimize switching patterns and reduce interference across power levels.
  • The recommended filter cutoff frequencies are typically between 150-200 kHz, well above the audible range.
  • Avoiding large output filters helps maintain amplifier efficiency and reduces THD+N and audio signal degradation.
In summary:

  • In most modern applications like compact speakers or desktop amps (e.g., SMSL A50 Pro), no large LC output filter is necessary.
  • A small, inexpensive ferrite bead filter with capacitor to ground is often used to meet EMI standards.
  • Full LC low-pass filters are optional and mainly for longer cable runs or stricter EMI needs.
This design enables simpler, more compact, and efficient Class D amplifier implementations.
 
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