Is SINAD important? - "Myths" about measurements! [Video YT]

[BDWoody]

Don't knock till you've tried it .

 

[D2013]

So, are y'all saying a lot of folk have their heads up their a...?

No, I'm saying a lot of reviewers who just like to describe the sound a given device produces with colorful prose are useless.

For example, It took me 15 minutes (wanted good easy to read graphs) to find the following sources to explain a very common issue with non science based reviewers.

TLDR : If the reviewer is none trivially older or younger than you, what they hear will be different.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6065%2821%2900040-7/fulltext#fig0001

dB HL - Sensitivity to Sound - Clinical Audiograms | Auditory Neuroscience

auditoryneuroscience.com

Age-related Hearing Loss (Presbycusis)

Even if we avoid exposure to very loud noise, the ear's outer hair cells may also simply wear out as we age, leading to age related hearing loss. In this condition, high frequency outer hair cells tend to die off before low-frequency ones, possibly because the high frequency outer hair cells have to work harder if their job is to amplify acoustic vibrations on a cycle by cycle basis. Consequently, patients with age-related hearing loss often have normal sensitivity at low frequencies, but progressively poorer sensitivity for higher frequencies, as shown here:

 

[DonH56]

No, I'm saying a lot of reviewers who just like to describe the sound a given device produces with colorful prose are useless.

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I was joking, sorry it did not come across that way.

 

[Old_School_Brad]

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I must be getting old. Watching that, all I could think about was how some days my back barely lets me balance on one leg to put on my socks.

 

[sonitus mirus]

I must be getting old. Watching that, all I could think about was how some days my back barely lets me balance on one leg to put on my socks.

Sit on the bed when putting your socks on you old fool.

 

[Old_School_Brad]

Sit on the bed when putting your socks on you old fool.

Never! Mind over matter!
I've been doing that as my morning routine for as long as I can remember. There's no way I'm letting my body decide what's best for me...

(Okay, maybe I'm a little stubborn too...)

 

[ferrellms]

Have not watched video as have better things to do but - SINAD is really important. That's why it's being measured. How low one can go is individual. Based on my biased and completely unscientific experience, I would not go below 80dB. Plenty out there that beats that bar with reasonable pricing. So why to explore where the bottom is?

SINAD is controversial as far as audibility at all or during music listening is concerned. It is perhaps a good hearing test for those who listen to their system with no music playing. It is like the "compression" issue with digital music files. It isn't so much "can you hear a difference at all' (I cannot) as "who cares if it can't be heard as the louder music that is playing on top of it masks it from consciousness". A big ado over nothing? Any double-blind ABX tests?

 

[VientoB]

Please give us the tldr or I will delete the OP.

The first comment I saw on YouTube is along the lines of "ASR is going to blow a gasket over this '. Kindly let us know why without us having to fund the headphone show via YouTube views .

Shocking attitude.

 

[markanini]

Shocking attitude.

Apparently shockingly good given 21 likes.

Do you believe ASR should support any commercial actor that has acted in bad faith against ASR?

 

[antcollinet]

Shocking attitude.

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[Jimbob54]

Shocking attitude.

Please , expand

 

[VientoB]

I'm aware of that. But I'd like members who find and post "interesting" YouTube videos, especially of this nature, to tell us why it may be of interest /controversial / worthy of debate so we can choose to watch or not . Not have to watch to decide if it's debate worthy .

The click baity nature of the captions on the thumbnail was the clue . The gasket blowing comment was confirmation of how some folk want this to play out.

You should know not to bite when reading comments on YouTube videos. The comments are not from the content creators themselves.

 

[markanini]

You should know not to bite when reading comments on YouTube videos. The comments are not from the content creators themselves.

True, but being hostile to ASR is what headphones.com staff are. So, the comment on their channel is hardly contrary, but rather supportive.

 

[VientoB]

True, but being hostile to ASR is what headphones.com staff are. So, the comment on their channel is hardly contrary, but rather supportive.

I don't think they are hostile to ASR. They do have some criticisms. There's one in their latest video, "what hifi reviewers aren't telling you", but it's constructive criticism I would argue. Blaine posts on here sometimes and I believe he is somewhat skeptical of Goldensound"s claims.

 

[Jimbob54]

You should know not to bite when reading comments on YouTube videos. The comments are not from the content creators themselves.

Im asking what about my attitude you would describe as "shocking"- my problem (talking as ex moderator and general member) is with people link dropping, especially to clickbait YT. I have no beef with the content on a personal level but if someone is linking from here to ANY audio related YT link, give me enough of a summary when you post it to tell me a) why the video is useful and worth of my time and b) a precis of key points and conclusion so I dont HAVE to watch it all to participate in the discussion here.

Its lazy to do otherwise, no?

 

[markanini]

I don't think they are hostile to ASR. They do have some criticisms. There's one in their latest video, "what hifi reviewers aren't telling you", but it's constructive criticism I would argue. Blaine posts on here sometimes and I believe he is somewhat skeptical of Goldensound"s claims.

You will not have seen the entirety of their conduct by watching one youtube video. I base my opinion on what I've seen on their various social media channels and the fact that their staff has posted here without disclosing their affiliation, breaking the forum rules: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...rs-reviewer-with-commercial-endorsement.18155

 

[VientoB]

Im asking what about my attitude you would describe as "shocking"- my problem (talking as ex moderator and general member) is with people link dropping, especially to clickbait YT. I have no beef with the content on a personal level but if someone is linking from here to ANY audio related YT link, give me enough of a summary when you post it to tell me a) why the video is useful and worth of my time and b) a precis of key points and conclusion so I dont HAVE to watch it all to participate in the discussion here.

Its lazy to do otherwise, no?

I think some people just want to share YouTube videos here and discuss them with other forum members.

 

[Jimbob54]

I think some people just want to share YouTube videos here and discuss them with other forum members.

They are free to share - but with conditions. You've already been signposted to those conditions and the reason(s) why they are there. Imagine if every new thread was just a link to a YT video with zero assessment or summary as to why it was posted. Not really what this forum is about, is it?

 

[VientoB]

You will not have seen the entirety of their conduct by watching one youtube video. I base my opinion on what I've seen on their various social media channels and the fact that their staff has posted here without disclosing their affiliation, breaking the forum rules: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...rs-reviewer-with-commercial-endorsement.18155

I watch most of their videos to be honest as I think they're pretty good. I like ASR, The Headphone Show, Super Review. All good sources of information.

 

[VientoB]

They are free to share - but with conditions. You've already been signposted to those conditions and the reason(s) why they are there. Imagine if every new thread was just a link to a YT video with zero assessment or summary as to why it was posted. Not really what this forum is about, is it?

I'm not the one who posted the video here. I can guarantee you most people wont read the messageboard rules and conditions.