Is my room measurement within acceptable range? Thinking of upgrading avr with audessy

[Fir3dp]

I'm current running a linton to a denon 580bt (no room correction or eq), svs Sb3000 otw and trying to convince the wife to add 2 rear speakers. I'm thinking of upgrading to a avr with audessy to help with some room correction, based on my current room measurement so you think that will help drastically?

TIA!

 

[Ruhled]

I don't think this looks terrible. You might want to turn the sub down maybe 3-4db.

 

[Fir3dp]

I don't think this looks terrible. You might want to turn the sub down maybe 3-4db.

There's no sub yet. That's just from the lintons. There's only tone settings on the denon, maybe I'll try to lower the bass on those. Thanks!

 

[DVDdoug]

It doesn't look terrible to me either. Room correction can almost always make an improvement but I can't tell you if it's worth it to YOU. If you have an unlimited budget and care about sound, of course I'd recommend it room correction... along with multiple subwoofers, etc.

I assume you like the overall bass boost, and at lower volumes bass boost sounds more natural than flat.

and trying to convince the wife to add 2 rear speakers.

Personally I REALLY enjoy surround sound, both in movies and I have a shelf-full of concert DVDs with surround sound. (I only have 5.1 and don't have a strong desire for more channels.) With regular stereo music I like to use a "hall" or "theater" setting for some delayed reverb in the room and the "feel" of a larger space.

Do you have a center? With surround sound the center is also important because that's where movie dialog comes from and when the center channel is downmixed to left & right channels it's "imperfect".

And without a subwoofer you only get the "regular bass" and the "point one" LFE channel is lost. It's not normally used in the downmix (although there are a few AVRs that can downmix it.)




...My cheap AVR doesn't have room correction. I'm satisfied, and I haven't bothered with measurements. On the other hand, I have a van with a "big" sound system and it's got some kind of bass resonance that shows-up with certain music and "someday" I'll probably get a measurement mic and see what I can do about it.

 

[kemmler3D]

Honestly this looks pretty decent to me... If the bass measurement is accurate (i.e. not hiding any deep notches somehow) you're in okay shape already, but you do have some pretty typical +/- 10dB swings in the bass, (looks like all peaks somehow, lucky) which room correction will knock out pretty easily.

That will make bass sound less boomy and aggressive, more smooth and natural. I personally can't do without room correction most of the time anymore because it bugs me when certain bass notes pop out of the mix or disappear. Ymmv.

 

[staticV3]

Tbh, if that's uncorrected then the lack of room modes in that graph is suspicious.

I wouldn't trust it and instead make my own using REW and the Moving Microphone Method.

For reference, here's an in-room response measurement that I made a few days ago:


Green is stock, without EQ:

The strong peaks you see are no fault of the speaker, just the unfortunate reality of room acoustics in a domestic environment not built for sound.

Any stock in-room response measurement free of room modes immediately raises suspicion (for me at least)

 

[Fir3dp]

It doesn't look terrible to me either. Room correction can almost always make an improvement but I can't tell you if it's worth it to YOU. If you have an unlimited budget and care about sound, of course I'd recommend it room correction... along with multiple subwoofers, etc.

I assume you like the overall bass boost, and at lower volumes bass boost sounds more natural than flat.


Personally I REALLY enjoy surround sound, both in movies and I have a shelf-full of concert DVDs with surround sound. (I only have 5.1 and don't have a strong desire for more channels.) With regular stereo music I like to use a "hall" or "theater" setting for some delayed reverb in the room and the "feel" of a larger space.

Do you have a center? With surround sound the center is also important because that's where movie dialog comes from and when the center channel is downmixed to left & right channels it's "imperfect".

And without a subwoofer you only get the "regular bass" and the "point one" LFE channel is lost. It's not normally used in the downmix (although there are a few AVRs that can downmix it.)




...My cheap AVR doesn't have room correction. I'm satisfied, and I haven't bothered with measurements. On the other hand, I have a van with a "big" sound system and it's got some kind of bass resonance that shows-up with certain music and "someday" I'll probably get a measurement mic and see what I can do about it.

Yup, for my room speakers I have a slight bass boost cos we usually listen to that at lower volumes. But for my hall setup that's without any eq to it.

Current I have no center yet, the speakers are right beside my 80in TV on both side so I don't feel like the center speaker will benefit much, the phantom center feels pretty natural. And I can't move them any further away from the TV due to lack of space.

I remember my first $500 yamaha home theater system when I was 14yo. So finally got my own place to make one!

 

[Fir3dp]

Tbh, if that's uncorrected then the lack of room modes in that graph is suspicious.

I wouldn't trust it and make my own using REW and the Moving Microphone Method.

For reference, here's an in-room response measurement that I made a few days ago:
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Green is stock, without EQ:

The strong peaks you see are no fault of the speaker, just the unfortunate reality of room acoustics in a domestic environment not built for sound.

Tbh, if that's uncorrected then the lack of room modes in that graph is suspicious.

I wouldn't trust it and make my own using REW and the Moving Microphone Method.

For reference, here's an in-room response measurement that I made a few days ago:
View attachment 481917

Green is stock, without EQ:

The strong peaks you see are no fault of the speaker, just the unfortunate reality of room acoustics in a domestic environment not built for sound.

My room is pretty open, 7x5m with sliding glass doors on both sides which are always open. It's almost like a outdoorish space. Maybe that explains the lack of resonance?

Either way I might try to remeasure it!

 

[Fir3dp]

Honestly this looks pretty decent to me... If the bass measurement is accurate (i.e. not hiding any deep notches somehow) you're in okay shape already, but you do have some pretty typical +/- 10dB swings in the bass, (looks like all peaks somehow, lucky) which room correction will knock out pretty easily.

That will make bass sound less boomy and aggressive, more smooth and natural. I personally can't do without room correction most of the time anymore because it bugs me when certain bass notes pop out of the mix or disappear. Ymmv.

I have a wiim amp ultra for my other room, and I've seen how it has improved the sound, hence I'm kinna on the fence on upgrading my avr.

Below is the raw and post room correction measurements from the wiim amp ultra + kef concerto

 

[janbth]

I'm current running a linton to a denon 580bt (no room correction or eq), svs Sb3000 otw and trying to convince the wife to add 2 rear speakers. I'm thinking of upgrading to a avr with audessy to help with some room correction, based on my current room measurement so you think that will help drastically?

TIA!

What software did you use to measure? Do you know if any smoothing has been used on the frequency response?

 

[Keith_W]

Look a little closer. This is a phone measurement. I would hope that the OP at least invested in a semi-decent USB microphone like a Dayton IMM-6 rather than the phone's built-in mic. Even then, these little USB mics tend to be inaccurate at high frequencies and may not be calibrated. As a minimum, use something like a UMIK-1, preferably a UMIK-2.

The way a measurement is taken matters. If you hold the phone in your hand while taking the sweep, your body will reflect sound back to the microphone. If you point the mic towards the speakers, or towards the ceiling, you will get a different result. And needless to say, you need to be at the listening position.

Also agree with @staticV3 that this is a suspiciously smooth looking graph, especially without any form of DSP.

 

[Sokel]

Look a little closer. This is a phone measurement. I would hope that the OP at least invested in a semi-decent USB microphone like a Dayton IMM-6 rather than the phone's built-in mic. Even then, these little USB mics tend to be inaccurate at high frequencies and may not be calibrated. As a minimum, use something like a UMIK-1, preferably a UMIK-2.

The way a measurement is taken matters. If you hold the phone in your hand while taking the sweep, your body will reflect sound back to the microphone. If you point the mic towards the speakers, or towards the ceiling, you will get a different result. And needless to say, you need to be at the listening position.

Also agree with @staticV3 that this is a suspiciously smooth looking graph, especially without any form of DSP.

Label on the side says 1/24 smoothing.
This chart is not justifiable, something very fishy or very wrong goes on.

It almost looks like a nearfield of a tiny speaker (have no idea what Linton is, other than the hotel)

 

[Keith_W]

It almost looks like a nearfield of a tiny speaker (have no idea what Linton is, other than the hotel)

Likely Wharfedale Lintons. There are many models, the OP did not specify which. A quick google says there's an 85th Anniversary model, a Super Linton, a Heritage Linton. FWIW Erin did measure a Super Linton here:

Note how Erin's measurement shows the bass rolling off at 40Hz, but the OP's doesn't. This might be explained by room gain if he had a small room, but he did say it's a 5m x 7m room with glass doors which are always open, effectively converting his decent sized room into something much larger.

 

[Sokel]

Likely Wharfedale Lintons. There are many models, the OP did not specify which. A quick google says there's an 85th Anniversary model, a Super Linton, a Heritage Linton. FWIW Erin did measure a Super Linton here:

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Note how Erin's measurement shows the bass rolling off at 40Hz, but the OP's doesn't. This might be explained by room gain if he had a small room, but he did say it's a 5m x 7m room with glass doors which are always open, effectively converting his decent sized room into something much larger.

Room gain is not confined in very small rooms only, mine is 80 m² (closed though) and I still have a huge 15dB peak at about 30Hz (which I sometimes enjoy like a guilty pleasure but I usually knock it down a few dB)

That's not the fishy part. The problem there is no distance influence whatsoever, it looks like a meter or less measurement, no slope, no decline, nothing.
If the model is similar with Erin's it would look as the in-room response, at an ideal room at listening distance (which we don't know)