Love to see that manage subs and multich content. Let alone any relevance to the Marantz brand generally for what 50 years?Love my Marantz 8B. Sounds good and has such a stately look about it.
Love to see that manage subs and multich content. Let alone any relevance to the Marantz brand generally for what 50 years?Love my Marantz 8B. Sounds good and has such a stately look about it.
Still nigh-on my favorite store-bought amplifier.Love my Marantz 8B. Sounds good and has such a stately look about it.
The brand new stereo flagship Model 10 doesn't do that either. But they did manage bass and treble controls this time... and a "mesh top cover with internal illumination and branding".Love to see that manage subs and multich content.
Funny what paying up to an additional $1k can do for a person's memory!Lots of Marantz users (not all obviously) reported that they felt Marantz sounded better than Denon, iirc, 100% of them relied on their subjective measurements and memory.
Funny what paying up to an additional $1k can do for a person's memory!
I buy nicer things but I'm not using "Golden Ear" verbiage to justify my purchase (especially in a science forum)! Newer Mercedes have crap reliability whereas newer BMWs surprisingly are just a step down from perennials on the list like Honda/Acura. We have to keep up with the times so old adages like "all luxury German cars are unreliable" don't become the narrative in 2024!
Now that's logical, but it is easy to ignore logic right? And easy to be convinced by "brand sound", and the other logic albeit a silly one that says if they sound the same, why do they made both, so it must be true that you go with M for music and D for movies.Brands have gone through so many changes that these days it seems silly to attribute a "brand sound" to them.
I am always afraid that the Wire Police will arrest me one day at least for a misdemeanour . Will have to follow your path.Agreed, but not just $1K, marketing, internet hearsay also have similar effects. For example, in the M vs D case, by giving people the DAC filer and HDAM reasons... I can debunk such things by a simple and logical bottleneck analysis, but it won't can't convince fans who don't want to focus on logic, or theories. Ultimately it is their ears that they thought, count, the only that counts in the end.
As I said before, I got audibly better sound quality (sound stage got wider, deeper, crystal clear highs, rich and soft mid to mid highs, punch yet musical bass, more enveloping surround/height effects, etc. etc.) every time after I re-arrange/tidy up wiring clutter, layout, wipe and vacuum etc. I am not kidding!! Fact (to me) is, such cleaning up, tidying up exercise made more obvious difference than swapping out an Denon AVR to Marantz AVP(s), back to Denon AVR, and then to Anthem AVP, or swapping out a HK receiver to cheap Denon AVRs, do separate preamp, dacs, Bryston, Parasound, Hypex, Purifi amps, you name it lol.... We just don't know what others hear, or think they hear period, so it is almost silly to even debate which brand, models sound different, better, worse, same, or similar because people are not going to agree, or convinced one way or another, at least I have never read about any case where a D brand fan managed to convince a M brand fan, or the same with the A brands (Arcam, Anthem) or even vice versa.
In this case, the fact is, it you search on the internet for forum reviews hard enough, you will find a good spectrum of user's preference, those as you alluded to, $1K can do some wonder so it does seem that there are more nicer reviews on products that sell for more, even if they have the same guts, measurements, and in fact for the D vs M, there are more D's that measured better than the M's on ASR, yet it made no difference, there are more nicer subjective reviews for the M's and then people would draw the conclusion that the M brand is better for music (of course and the cheaper D brand is for movies, when less serious listening is anticipates as emphasis might be on the "effects" and video performance. That's just observed, perceived "facts", not verifiable, measurable facts.
I am always afraid that the Wire Police will arrest me one day at least for a misdemeanour . Will have to follow your path.
I think you've said it all here - you read things, expected certain outcomes, didn't use any controls and got what your brain wanted.I had read about the AKM Fire which caused the DAC changes in the X4800H vs SR7012. I was starting to think that I was hearing these differences when using X4800H as preamp. I returned the X4800H. I decided to buy the Marantz Cinema 30 vs the Cinema 40 to get the better DACs and hopefully better amplifiers. I connected the Cinema 30 as preamp with the Primare for this test and played the same Harry James recordings. Finally, the vibrancy I was looking for with accurate stage placement
Ups. Might be a step ahead of you in this case but still way to go. Once I end the nonsense of various upgrades, I will tidy up real neat .Haha, the Cinema30 would have been my last "path" if I hadn't switched to Anthem AVM70, that's before the secret of the new Cinema30 was even know by anyone. I like the AVM70 too but just missed the D+M feature, and info displays, and especially miss Audyssey and of course DLBC.
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In the end there shouldn't be such a thing as "brand sound".Brands have gone through so many changes that these days it seems silly to attribute a "brand sound" to them.
And you can get something from GM or Ford that does the same. probably for a lot less "look at me" money.I buy nicer things but I'm not using "Golden Ear" verbiage to justify my purchase (especially in a science forum)! Newer Mercedes have crap reliability whereas newer BMWs surprisingly are just a step down from perennials on the list like Honda/Acura. We have to keep up with the times so old adages like "all luxury German cars are unreliable" don't become the narrative in 2024!
Always good to see someone else (i.e., besides myself) doing their part to forestall the heat death of the universe.Haha, the Cinema30 would have been my last "path" if I hadn't switched to Anthem AVM70, that's before the secret of the new Cinema30 was even know by anyone. I like the AVM70 too but just missed the D+M feature, and info displays, and especially miss Audyssey and of course DLBC.
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Their circuits colored the sound?? But, the marantz measurements wouldn't show any color. Hence, there should be no color!!Marantz uses coloring circuitry to get a sound. They even post images of the circuitry and PCB cards that plug into receptacles in the amps, receivers and surround sound pre-amps. One card for each channel or one card for stereo maybe.
Yes, they have the HDAM circuitry to color the sound somehow.Their circuits colored the sound?? But, the marantz measurements wouldn't show any color. Hence, there should be no color!!
Well they look pretty if you want to showcase them.Yes, they have the HDAM circuitry to color the sound somehow.
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My 6 foot wide desktop is cluttered with lots of wires from my desktop PC, a notebook, cable modem, large mousepad, headphone amp and a DAC and I don't think I could fit a 17" wide component. So compactness is the order of the day for me too.Well they look pretty if you want to showcase them.
Personally I am over that era in my audio journey. I like very compact these days. I was always into integrated amps for that reason, but now I ideally want everything integrated into one single and smaller box that does it all.