Lol, love the tone. Very constructive and contributive - may I ask to what point, if there is one at all?
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That is a beautiful view! Are you sure it was the sub that cracked the glass?That's the main suspect, although did not catch it in the act. Like 2 days after I moved the sub to that corner, the glass was broken. And was at that point doing some exploring which did involve high SPL at low frequencies. Not using that corner any more.
Not for certain as did not catch the moment. But everything else points to that. Have other flats in that building with same windows and they are all OK. The guy that replaced the window said it it probably the most likely cause and that seal on the window was off. It is 15 year old window, but as noted other 15 year windows working just fine.
The thought of powerful subwoofer-y knocking the whole town over didn’t amuse you? Even with your doggie avatar. It amused me anyway.
tineared
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I bet he uses the preview function next time 
Thank you! The F112 sub that’s next to the center channel is a 3rd sub to smooth out the bass in the room. I’m moving it around so this is not the final location. Also if the juice is not worth the squeeze, I plan on selling it when I’m ready to buy the studio2 for the surrounds.
I think cardioid bass probably helps a lot more here. When you get your speakers, we will know a little more
Ideally it would be salons for surrounds but I don’t have the space. This would excessive overkill for some but for others it’s the only way to go. I value music over movies so it’s a nice to have.Studio 2 for surrounds will really complement the setup. It's OK if one understands it is excessive overkill. I am really overkilling it but did not get that far - yet
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Plus having a system in the family room will never be ideal since one side mostly opens to the kitchen so there is reverb and echo. It’s a load bearing wall so there is a large cut out w/ a little wall . Don’t some people put a large glass wall? I wonder how that would go over w the wifey lol.
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Nothing wrong with overkill. Lots of people think my surrounds are overkill. I can't imagine what I would do if I got into a really great room. Probably something really stupid and costly
.The acoustic asymmetry problem that you are referring to is a real problem in lots of rooms. My L side is against wall/windows and R side open to larger space. I found that having speakers closer to MLP helps to fix this. But than even at 1.5-2 M distance the R side surround speakers are just throwing off a larger soundstage. ART has been very helpful in fixing many other issues, but not this one.
Trinnov dealers are claiming they could improve on that, but then Trinnov is entirely different species that will come with its own benefits and downsides.
Keith_W
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^^^ I'm confused about your setup. Is that a HT system in a bedroom, or a bed in the HT? I don't think i could sleep with speakers surrounding me like that. Or bring women into that space 
It is confusing lol. It is a flat that I use for HT and work and other family members also use for chill when needed. It does have a bed (in the "living room") as that I my preference and preference of my girls. Being really comfortable and relaxed seems to enhance the experience. This is 17th floor, the main flat is on 19th and 20th floor. HT area is in 18.30 on the floor plan and adjacent areas.^^^ I'm confused about your setup. Is that a HT system in a bedroom, or a bed in the HT? I don't think i could sleep with speakers surrounding me like that. Or bring women into that space
Would not comment on the "bringing the women into that space" as I am married, but yes think I had some late night propositions, or at least serious clues, to that extent. Male friends love the space - large screen, loud music, free drinks and often long hours available. Not to mention good company
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Very cool home @Oddball!
I’ve spent some time experimenting with sub positions and there is something that I learned. So while it’s difficult to call the salons SOTA, I think being almost a 20 year old design, you can still call them “reference” quality.
Even with the Gothams, it’s actually difficult to setup the salon/gotham/cr-1 to sound better than just running the salons by themselves. This is how good the bass is on the salons. I ended up putting things back to how I originally had it and removed the F112 for 2 channel. The F112 will just do LFE for movies. And when I get ART, will use Gothams in front and F112 in the rear - assuming this is something that makes sense with ART.
I’ve spent some time experimenting with sub positions and there is something that I learned. So while it’s difficult to call the salons SOTA, I think being almost a 20 year old design, you can still call them “reference” quality.
Even with the Gothams, it’s actually difficult to setup the salon/gotham/cr-1 to sound better than just running the salons by themselves. This is how good the bass is on the salons. I ended up putting things back to how I originally had it and removed the F112 for 2 channel. The F112 will just do LFE for movies. And when I get ART, will use Gothams in front and F112 in the rear - assuming this is something that makes sense with ART.
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You measured with REW?
Keith
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Thanks.
ART seems to be less sensitive to positioning than previous systems. But old rule that less you have to correct better it is - should still stand.
As long as subs can complement each other (aka fill in the dips), that should work to provide very smooth FQ response. Decay reduction is also not based on positioning (like DBA in the past) so one can be more relaxed. Front and back wall sub placement is very common and people get great results.
Support range for other speakers is something you should experiment with once you get to ART. Given the subs you have perhaps best to start with 50-150hz for Salons even they can go lower. If supporting the subs, they could be asked to play LFE, which could stretch them below 50hz.
I use JL TUN to set the phase and capture the frequency response, it’s a little easier to use.
Since I don’t know too much about ART, I feel like you are speaking a foreign language
. This is some sophisticated stuff- support range? Just to be clear though, ART will be used primarily for movies and maybe some multichannel recorded blu-rays. Also, even with Dirac Live, the bass in my system when watching movies is very good. What I’m curious is just how much bass is when using ART vs no ART?
Lol, its actually really easy to get good results with ART without much tweaking. Once you get ART just post in the ART thread and people will chime in with anything you need.Since I don’t know too much about ART, I feel like you are speaking a foreign language
Also, even with Dirac Live, the bass in my system when watching movies is very good. What I’m curious is just how much bass is when using ART vs no ART?
IMHO...
Until a given frequency you are listening your room. During the transition and after that you are listening your speakers (more specifically in the direct wave field).
I believe that speakers positioning for the best sweet spot are at first priority and then some room EQ at low frequency for reducing peaks.
If the room is an issue a possibility and good compromise is the Near Field listening.
Until a given frequency you are listening your room. During the transition and after that you are listening your speakers (more specifically in the direct wave field).
I believe that speakers positioning for the best sweet spot are at first priority and then some room EQ at low frequency for reducing peaks.
If the room is an issue a possibility and good compromise is the Near Field listening.
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