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Greetings my name is Richard and I am a semi retired commercial photographer living in Brooklyn. I wanted to thank everyone who responded to my first post asking about a digital set up. I underestimated how active this group is but appreciate that its a large group of people each on their different sonic journey and willing to help others on their quest and without judgement. I learned early on as a photographer that it was not " the gear" that makes the photographer however I did not consider myself a serious photographer until I bought a Hasselblad ! A possible analogy is not thinking that you were a serious music listener until you bought a Macintosh amp. In both cases it's an expensive piece of gear that in reality is only a tool to achieve one's goal. I used to tell a joke to people: "A man is dating a woman and attends a dinner party hosted by a friend of the woman who he is dating. The host greets the couple and at a misguided attempt of flattery the host says to the man I know you are a photographer; you take some beautiful pictures. You must have a really good camera. The guest bites his lip enjoys the multicourse dinner and upon leaving turns to the host and says you're a really good cook you must have a great oven! Ok enough with attempts of humor.
In addition to being a commercial photographer I am an amateur musician; I played in a garage band in the sixth grade. Now I only play acoustic guitar and can tune it from "pitch" memory.
I've always had a better than average Stereo but never considered myself an audiofile. Until last year I had a pair of Klipsch 600 M speakers that ive owned for years and when I wanted sonic improvements I would often look to well recorded music: Steely Dan, Stevie Wonder, Pink Flyod etc. In the 90's I had an obscure tube CD player. I grew up with tubes. The family Stereo was tubes and of course the amp used in the garage band was also tubes back in the day. However I also embraced Digital. I switched to digital photography early on but still had my 8x10 camera for " serious" work. Two years ago when I decided to hang up the photography business I had some time on my hands and decided to build a nice stereo but do it within a budget. I enjoyed doing the research and learning about how speakers and amplifiers have changed so much in my lifetime. The "fun" or the " hobby" is that I am a bit obsessive and intellectually curious.; it was another challenge. I decided speakers would be 60% of my budget, Vinyl would be my main source when I want to listen to music. Streaming high res music using Tidal would be my casual listening while I'm doing dishes or cooking. I came up with a AudioClear Concept turntable with Satisfy tonearm a Ortofon Black LVB 250 ( Nude Shibata diamond on a Boron cantilever) , a Schitt StJarne tube preamp rolling military grade Mullard tubes from the 1970's. A NAD M10 as an integrated amp and streamer. Sonus Faber Sonetto V G2 speakers with Telluim Q Ultra black speaker cable. I discovered MCRU in the UK for power cables' a " Black Ravioli" for an addtional passive ground. David over at MCRU taught me the Philosophy that good Audio starts with the wall socket; clean power equals clean sound. I have a dedicated breaker to a Furutech wall outlet and a Furutech power condtioner for all my mains. Oh and I have two subwoofers: a SVS 13" driver and a SVS 3000 Mircro which is two 8" drivers opposing each other both with room control and a remote. I have bass traps behind my speakers, and carpet and other things to help the room. Don't get me started on my vinyl cleaning methods (lol!) . I have Dirac live but waiting for my gear to break in before I run it. Its not perfect but it sounds great and I love it !
So after watching too many Paul McGowen videos I heard about DSD. Could this be another challenge ? Its easy if you have a big bank roll. However I have never heard it. Is it some elusive, intangible unicorn? My obsessive self said hey if I can do it within a $1500 budget why not? This is why I am here. Everyday I learn so much. Last night I learned about Fosi audio. Running dual Mono amps and Opamp rolling for under 600.00 ? Sounds like my cup of tea.
All this to say " Why am I chasing DSD? Its another challenge, its another niche "collector" type fulfillment, it's my intellectual curiosity at work.
So what I've come up with is: a used Uralic Aries Mini ( did I mention I like mini componets not anything 13" x 17" in chassis size.) a power supply to match going into Fosi Audio ZA3 amp with upgraded Opamp. All DSD 512 friendly. The problem is attaching this to my Sonus Faber speakers. I would have to use some type of "Switch" the switch will effect the sound quality in a system this transparent. If you have any thoughts other than " dont chase DSD" : I would love to hear them. Thanks for reading !

Richard
 
 
Tidal->Wiim Amp Ultra -> Speakers ...and call it a day

for the tweakers

Tidal->Wiim Ultra->Amp(s) of choice->Speakers

All the rest you describe is ... well to be frank ... largely a waste of time and money. But - I will say - if it makes you happy and you have the means - have at it.
 
Hi Richard,

Russound makes a manual A/B selector and Crutchfield sells it for $99


Note the connectors used on the back panel in the PDF of the manual.

Currently, Crutchfield offers returns through January 15, 2026. Crutchfield charges a fee for a prepaid return shipping label.

Consider the challenge of mitigating cognitive biases in pursuing the perception of transparency in sound reproduction.
 
Yes thank you ! I had found a switch made by Stanley which used silver wires and cost 1600.00. Stil the physicis of breaking the signal path. I cant imagine a no loss of sound quality.
"mitigating cognitive biases" Please expalin....
 
Tidal->Wiim Amp Ultra -> Speakers ...and call it a day

for the tweakers

Tidal->Wiim Ultra->Amp(s) of choice->Speakers

All the rest you describe is ... well to be frank ... largely a waste of time and money. But - I will say - if it makes you happy and you have the means - have at it.
Thank you ; yes the Wiim came up in my digging around. So if I download DSD 512 from NativeDSD how would the amp play them ? From a thumb drive ? I have Tidal-NAD M10- speakers. Are you saying it does not get better than this ?
 
Yes thank you ! I had found a switch made by Stanley which used silver wires and cost 1600.00. Stil the physicis of breaking the signal path. I cant imagine a no loss of sound quality.
"mitigating cognitive biases" Please expalin....

A person's 'cognitive biases' can affect how they perceive the performance of select audio gear.

 
Native DSD sells their DSD 512 fs version of the music at almost twice the price of 96kHz FLAC. I seriously doubt the masters are any different, and if they are, it would be highly unconscionable for them not to disclose it. If done (transcode) correctly, there should be absolutely no audible difference. If you are to buy the DSD 512 fs version, you are paying almost twice and get less in return (larger file size and costs you more storage, and you can't apply any DSP for headphone or room EQ without first transcoding it to PCM).
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I'm not sure what answers you're looking for in this thread that wasn't in your other thread which is basically the same. You can store DSD files on a thumb drive and play them back on the WiiM Ultra but it converts them to PCM 24/192. I believe the NAD M10 will convert everything on line in to 24/48.

If you want to play DSD and DXD files maybe read the help on Native DSD. It's not as simple as plugging a thumb drive into a DAC you need the right software (J River , Roon etc..for example) and the right equipment.

Ii don't see the point of it but if you want to go down the rabbit hole it's not simple.
 
Hi, take some time to get used to this forum and the measurement based approach - we're all massive music fans, generally happier to talk about music than gear, too.

If you don't mind, I'd suggest that you get your head around "psychoacoustics" ... the science of how our brain ticks us about what we hear (it's not that obviously, but it is the core to why our ears are not reliable for assessing/measuring gear).
Also take a moment - a thought experiment - to remember basic electronics. This is a massive part of the value of this forum. Cables cannot affect your sound, unless broken. Electrical power quality is irrelevant. Paul McGowen rarely makes sense (objectively, science based) and he's far from alone. Digital signals are data ...

It took me a while to drop the myths and recognise what common sense (and my science degree) should have been telling me all along.

Speakers (and headphones) matter, your room really matters. Vinyl is for fun, not sound quality (it's enjoyable fun, no criticism from me - I still dabble) and electronics are cheap.

Welcome to ASR :D
 
A person's 'cognitive biases' can affect how they perceive the performance of select audio gear.

Understood thank you
 
Hi, take some time to get used to this forum and the measurement based approach - we're all massive music fans, generally happier to talk about music than gear, too.

If you don't mind, I'd suggest that you get your head around "psychoacoustics" ... the science of how our brain ticks us about what we hear (it's not that obviously, but it is the core to why our ears are not reliable for assessing/measuring gear).
Also take a moment - a thought experiment - to remember basic electronics. This is a massive part of the value of this forum. Cables cannot affect your sound, unless broken. Electrical power quality is irrelevant. Paul McGowen rarely makes sense (objectively, science based) and he's far from alone. Digital signals are data ...

It took me a while to drop the myths and recognise what common sense (and my science degree) should have been telling me all along.

Speakers (and headphones) matter, your room really matters. Vinyl is for fun, not sound quality (it's enjoyable fun, no criticism from me - I still dabble) and electronics are cheap.

Welcome to ASR :D
Thank you for the welcome. I wish I could hear a DSD system so I could be more objective. Btw when I plugged in my Furutech power conditioner the table lamp was brighter lol.
 
Honestly: read a little about psychoacoustics, cognitive biases and controlled listening tests ... the first thing you will realise is that listening to a DSD system (even a perfect one) will tell you nothing. To be objective is to apply controls so that your listening can become useful .. and your table lamp doesn't have the mains filtering that even cheap electronics have.

I know I sound like a broken record (!) but just listening is not the way to go for evaluating sound. It's the only way to get pleasure from listening to music, but that's a very different thing.

If you listened to a DSD system now it would sound awesome - even if the sound was actually identical to your vinyl or PCM reference - our brains are really irritating.
 
Solid-looking switch on eBay:

Your M10 is digitizing your phono input. If you buy the Fosi amp, try listening to your phono pre-amp through it. I'd think that difference -- if any -- would be more apparent than PCM vs. DSD.

Note that Dirac Live only works with PCM.

I wish I could hear a DSD system so I could be more objective.
If you are in NYC, there must be a dealer nearby who could accomodate you on this.
 
You don't. You just stream from Tidal. I am willing to bet that in blind test - you will not hear any difference. To echo Thoreau - simplfy your life and enjoy the music.
Yes thank you . Working on that.
Solid-looking switch on eBay:

Your M10 is digitizing your phono input. If you buy the Fosi amp, try listening to your phono pre-amp through it. I'd think that difference -- if any -- would be more apparent than PCM vs. DSD.

Note that Dirac Live only works with PCM.


If you are in NYC, there must be a dealer nearby who could accomodate you on this.
Whats the difference between the Fossi and the NAD? And yes once my gear is broken in I think that Dirac live will give me more of a difference to what I'm guessing DSD does.
 
Yes thank you . Working on that.

Whats the difference between the Fossi and the NAD? And yes once my gear is broken in I think that Dirac live will give me more of a difference to what I'm guessing DSD does.
Room correction such as Dirac or wiims' room fit will give you tangible results. The theory of " break in" time for electronic components is a myth
 
Just to re-state what. you have already been told.

There is no (none, zero, zilch etc) benefit to DSD files compared to PCM. Don't waste your time and effort.
 
once my gear is broken in
I once believed in this (I even own a copy of Isotek); I no longer believe. I'm currently listening to 1 hour old speakers (Mechano23s) that I just finished assembling and expect them to sound as marvelous in a year as they do now.
 
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