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PKHarmonic by our own @pkane. You can specify which harmonics to add, and how much.

Exciter plugins work the same way (adding harmonics). Some exciters allow you to specify which freqs to add the harmonics to. PKHarmonic does not do that. Google "exciter VST plugin", there are literally dozens.

Pultec Punch VST. This adds a bass boost followed by a cut, the effect is to make bass seem more punchy.
HLC only work with VST3 not VST.
 

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I just had a doh! moment.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who does stupid things and posts about it! :p

Glad you got it worked out. I tried playing with MCFX last night and it is only VST format as well so it wouldn't have worked anyway.

Another free plugin I have used is TDR Nova which is EQ + dynamic compression if you want it. Very cool GUI and features.
 
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So taking xtalk shaper out I have it all working now! VB Audio Matrix is awesome. I have also configured setups where I can go Roon - HLHost - HQPlayer. Or use HLC.
Mystery solved! I am glad it is working for you now.

Some possible distortion plugins.

I used VB-Audio's virtual cable to connect JRiver's ASIO output to HLC's ASIO input. I don't know why HLC could not accept JRiver's ASIO output natively. HLC's instruction manual recommended VB-Audio.
There are two issues here. One is you can't connect JRIver's ASIO output to the input VB-Virtual Audio Cable as it is a WDM driver, so I am not surprised by the dropouts as this should not be even able to work in the first place. You would need to select JRiver's WASAPI output in shared mode to VB- cable input and the output of VB-cable is input to HLHost then HLC and then out to the DAC. Don't forget in JRiver to turn off exclusive mode.

2nd ASIO protocol runs in exclusive mode. Meaning only one connection between music player and ASIO driver. Using HLC in standalone mode means a "man in the middle" so that won't work either. What is required is a virtual ASIO driver, like the one you can get with VB-Matrix, which is a much different than VB cable, even through WDM is also supported.

If using JRiver, I recommend using HLC in plugin mode and simply add the plugin directly into JRiver's DSP Studio. No need for any virtual drivers.

HLC only work with VST3 not VST.
Yes, as @mk1classic mentions, VST2 is discontinued: https://helpcenter.steinberg.de/hc/en-us/articles/4409561018258-VST-2-Discontinued

January 19, 2022

The discontinuation of VST 2 marks the final step in the transition process to VST 3. Focusing solely on VST 3 will increase the stability of our products and allow us to fully leverage the advantages of the VST 3 platform.

As it stands, Steinberg hosts continue to offer VST 2 compatibility. Users of Mac computers with Apple silicon can continue to use VST 2 plug-ins under Rosetta 2.

Moreover, within the next 24 months, Steinberg's host applications and plug-ins across macOS and Windows will offer VST 3 compatibility only.

To ensure that you are prepared for these eventualities, we recommend to check if any third-party VST 2 plug-ins are in use and, if so, to contact the corresponding plug-in developers for details on supporting VST 3.
 

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I got over the ASIO issue by using Matrix.

I have HLH in Windows exclusive mode. So Roon output goes to VAIO 1 inpt, routed to VAIO 1 outpt to HLH. Then I have HLH going to VAIO 2 input which is then roued to ASIO output - in my case the Okto ASIO driver. Very elegant and robust solution. HLH stays in windows mode and Matrix outputs to ASIO.
 
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@AudioJester very cool! If you feel like sharing, and have the time, a couple of screen shots would be awesome. Curious, which device is the master clock?
 

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@AudioJester very cool! If you feel like sharing, and have the time, a couple of screen shots would be awesome. Curious, which device is the master clock?

Will do when back home. Matrix has its own master clock, but there is also an option to select the Okto.

One of the benefits of doing "stupid" things, is i ended up doing a deep dive and figuring out other solutions...
 

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VB Audio Matrix is very intimidating/daunting when you first try it.

I was able to figure it out after watching this 9 minute youtube video
 

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This is my config in HLHost and Matrix,
In Roon I have selected VB Audio Matrix VAIO1 as output.
I also have both ASIO and VAIO2 6 channel output. If disable HLC, and go 2 channel only I can route VAIO2 output into HQP using WASAPI input.
 

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Has there been changes to the the output meter in HLC lately?
The output level meters now show the same level on all ouputs on my 2x4-way speaker setup. This is a 50hz test tone playing.
Do the output level now show output before the filter not after ?
If not I'm trying to kill my TAD compression drivers and Fostex tweeters with 50hz...
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Has there been changes to the the output meter in HLC lately?
The output level meters now show the same level on all ouputs on my 2x4-way speaker setup. This is a 50hz test tone playing.
Do the output level now show output before the filter not after ?
If not I'm trying to kill my TAD compression drivers and Fostex tweeters with 50hz...
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It looks like I'm trying to kill my speaker elements with error in the routing of signals.

@mitchco Question: Does the output file from AudioLense route correctly or do I need to configure the CFG file to route the HLC output adresses?

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The CFG file has been modified to direct according to HLC ouputs not according to ASIO output numbers?

Example of CFG file:

48000 2 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 C:\Users\Admin\OneDrive\Dokumenter\Juice Hifi\Audiolense\Correction\4-way TAD\2024.03.15_02 Part TTD-10db\T-15 mar 24_19 13 -10d drop from400hz48.wav 0 0.0 0.0 C:\Users\Admin\OneDrive\Dokumenter\Juice Hifi\Audiolense\Correction\4-way TAD\2024.03.15_02 Part TTD-10db\T-15 mar 24_19 13 -10d drop from400hz48.wav 1 0.0 1.0 C:\Users\Admin\OneDrive\Dokumenter\Juice Hifi\Audiolense\Correction\4-way TAD\2024.03.15_02 Part TTD-10db\T-15 mar 24_19 13 -10d drop from400hz48.wav 2 0.0 2.0 C:\Users\Admin\OneDrive\Dokumenter\Juice Hifi\Audiolense\Correction\4-way TAD\2024.03.15_02 Part TTD-10db\T-15 mar 24_19 13 -10d drop from400hz48.wav 3 0.0 3.0 C:\Users\Admin\OneDrive\Dokumenter\Juice Hifi\Audiolense\Correction\4-way TAD\2024.03.15_02 Part TTD-10db\T-15 mar 24_19 13 -10d drop from400hz48.wav 4 1.0 4.0 C:\Users\Admin\OneDrive\Dokumenter\Juice Hifi\Audiolense\Correction\4-way TAD\2024.03.15_02 Part TTD-10db\T-15 mar 24_19 13 -10d drop from400hz48.wav 5 1.0 5.0 C:\Users\Admin\OneDrive\Dokumenter\Juice Hifi\Audiolense\Correction\4-way TAD\2024.03.15_02 Part TTD-10db\T-15 mar 24_19 13 -10d drop from400hz48.wav 6 1.0 6.0 C:\Users\Admin\OneDrive\Dokumenter\Juice Hifi\Audiolense\Correction\4-way TAD\2024.03.15_02 Part TTD-10db\T-15 mar 24_19 13 -10d drop from400hz48.wav 7 1.0 7.0
 
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@mitchco Question: Does the output file from AudioLense route correctly or do I need to configure the CFG file to route the HLC output adresses?
Hi @mk1classic yes, the .cfg file contains the routing that you have defined in Audiolense output channels when you took the measurement. You should not have to edit the .cfg file and should be 1:1 mapping HLC output channels to the Audio Output channels. Please see the "Important note on digital crossovers" on page 124 of the Operations Guide.

If you are still running into issues, please send your .cfg file and corresponding mch .wav file to my email address please. Thanks.
 

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It looks like I'm trying to kill my speaker elements with error in the routing of signals.
I have to build my own .cfg files, just a casual look it seems your routing is set up for more than 2ch input.

C:\Users\Admin\OneDrive\Dokumenter\Juice Hifi\Audiolense\Correction\4-way TAD\2024.03.15_02 Part TTD-10db\T-15 mar 24_19 13 -10d drop from400hz48.wav
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7.0

indicates ch8 is routed into right channel and output on ch8. The first number after your .wav path should be a 0 or a 1 for L/R input channels.

I'm on a Mac but cfg files are the same for both platforms. In my system settings my 8ch Okto is set for 7.1 to get the correct channel count but the channels 0-7 are assigned by the cfg file.

This is my .cfg for 2ch input with XO for a 3 way speaker + 2 subs:
(ignore my deviation on the 3rd line - they are channel delays)

48000 8 8 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1.9 1.9 0 0 .9 .9 0 0
/Users/xo/3.24 48kHz/linear/b.wav
0
0.0
0.0
/Users/xo/3.24 48kHz/linear/b.wav
1
1.0
1.0
/Users/xo/3.24 48kHz/linear/m.wav
0
0.0
2.0
/Users/xo/3.24 48kHz/linear/m.wav
1
1.0
3.0
/Users/xo/3.24 48kHz/linear/t.wav
0
0.0
4.0
/Users/xo/3.24 48kHz/linear/t.wav
1
1.0
5.0
/Users/xo/3.24 48kHz/linear/s.wav
0
0.0
6.0
/Users/xo/3.24 48kHz/linear/s.wav
1
1.0
7.0
And this is my graph in HLC:

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You can see by the .cfg file and routing coming out of HLC that entry 1&2 are L&R b.wav (woofers) and are routed out ch 1&2 but the way they connect to the 8ch DAC is dictated by how the amps are hooked up to the DAC! In my case L&R output from HLC goes to ch 1&4 of my Okto and those channels go to the L/R channels of the amp in charge of woofers. I use individual 2ch .wav filters for each driver set (b, m, t, s) instead of a 8ch .wav, the result is the same but I find it easier to adjust things if needed doing it this way.

Output channels from left to right on my HLC represent:
L bass, R bass, L mid, R mid, L tweet, R tweet, sub1, sub2 (sub1 is routed into TDR Nova for HP/LP filter)

My s.wav filters (sub) are unused in HLC in this case as I have DLBC in the chain prior and it is doing XO between woofer and sub but the output channels on the DAC are still respected.

Hope this helps, lots to wrap your head around with .cfg files.
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