Improving ASR as a member/moderator

[respice finem]

There's IMHO a major catch: We can mostly tell AI from non AI postings (or pictures or videos). Yet. What to do in a few years?
No I don't have an answer...

 

[Curvature]

Okay, but that’s a different issue.

Totally. I apologized and gave my reasons in that thread.

 

[Curvature]

You can still translate via Google Translate and it will not add the apparent AI behaviour.

Google translate is based on an LLM.

I don't have an issue with translation. What I don't like is users who produce generated outputs based on a half-considered prompt and dump them in the forum. @RickS has already deleted useless threads of this kind.

I don't think it's a major issue yet and I don't think the forum needs special resources to combat it. I only suggested the sticky as a polite reminder.

 

[Oddball]

Google translate is based on an LLM.

I don't have an issue with translation. What I don't like is users who produce generated outputs based on a half-considered prompt and dump them in the forum. @RickS has already deleted useless threads of this kind.

I don't think it's a major issue yet and I don't think the forum needs special resources to combat it. I only suggested the sticky as a polite reminder.

I think we are on the same page? And don’t disagree with sticky but not fuelling AI generated threads is a really easy way out.

Takes a bit of discipline but then just one of the newer parameters of behaviour on the forum that is likely needed. If we had this discussion a month ago could have even cited specific posts. But my human brain luckily just dumps noise fairly quickly if not repetitive and overly loud.

 

[amirm]

Totally. I apologized and gave my reasons in that thread.

The text most definitely looked AI generated. So can't blame you for thinking that although it is best to run it through AI Detectors. They are the first search engine results for AI detectors. The mistakes you caught were quite odd though.

 

[amirm]

I did have someone post an entire argument which detectors said was 100% AI generated. Person said it was due to translation but I am pretty sure no direct translation causes this. For this type of post, I do like to see a notice. Have to think about what we should say.

For now, if someone can run a few translations through AI and see if the detectors think they are AI generated, it would be much appreciated.

 

[Curvature]

AI Detectors.

Do you have any suggestions? I have never used them before.

 

[amirm]

Do you have any suggestions? I have never used them before.

Yes. I use this one: https://www.zerogpt.com/

 

[Soandso]

Can we create a sticky about using AI?

For example, rules could include:

• Disclose which AI service was used.
• Say if you verified the information or not.
• No text dumps.

I found this particularly irritating: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/ancient-loudspeakers.64117/#post-2352748

It should be noted that when I proved that my above linked to comment was not "AI" generated in the slightest the above commentator acknowledged that. This was visibly demonstrated by 1974 screen shots so that "text dump" served a purpose.

Furthermore the information being historical only contained one print error (that I found) in a 8 word long title citation from 1924 where I mis-typed, or auto-correct wrote, the word "Foundation" instead of "Function". As for "mistakes [plural] … caught" I did not see any other especially material errors that prevented the reader from following along, but only ever using a tablet and my page scanning might be incomplete.

I "found this particularly irritating" : that after initially contending cited Titles/author's were non-existent and convinced otherwise subsequent repeated argumentation was pursued inferring I none-the-less failed to "verify the information" of named historical personages related to events or any historical developments in regards to any "ancient-loudspeaker."

 

[RickS]

As it came up (more than once) recently, if you have a suggestion/complaint, the Forum Suggestions topic is an alternative to direct messaging or using the report feature. Notably, maybe you feel ASR needs to change in some way and want to get member feedback as well. If you choose this route, please consider creating a poll as well. Some members may not wish to comment publicly, so the anonymity of a poll can be useful.

If you log your complaint and it has the potential to derail (or already has derailed) a thread, it will likely be deleted as off topic. So, along with direct messaging and reporting, you now have a 3rd option to post to the Forum Suggestion topic area. Direct messaging is the most personal, reporting is more formal and tracked within the forum software. Suggest you may want to try one of these before airing something publicly. You may find your "new" suggestion has already been considered.

Hope this helps!

Rick

 

[RickS]

Am crossposting this as was originally in a review thread and felt it might be good to give it some more light…

“Amir has approved treating review threads much more like any other technical thread. This is a departure from previous approach and until now, I had operated under that prior guidance too.”

Starting a new thread can be beneficial for both members and the overall community as well. So please consider. It is also less disruptive than trying to extract content from a review thread post facto.

P.S.

Some additional clarification regarding context for review threads much content. Previously, would have moved or deleted content that was specifically regarding the product review. Now, having discussions about topics related to the product will be allowed. For example, discussing different earpads for a headphone would be allowed. Notably, some topical drift tends to occur in older review threads. That said, there will still be lower tolerance for trolling or hijacking a review thread.

 

[RickS]

Hi folks!

Born out of a member thread suggesting we do something to consolidate “snake oil” discussions, Amir has agreed to create a subforum for it. His main request was that the title be a bit more elevated. Am thinking something like Subjective Reviews and Discussions. Or maybe Outlandish or Extraordinary is more descriptive?

The subforum could be further subdivided but want to get the top level right first. Thoughts?

 

[Thighsofsteel]

“Extraordinary Claims” is a nice nod towards Hitchen’s Razor

 

[Power Pop 23]

I vote for including 'Extraordinary' in the title. I perceive it as more descriptive and more neutral than Outlandish.

 

[respice finem]

or: it works - all snakes died laughing

 

[Barrelhouse Solly]

Once again Gauss rules. A certain percentage of people resent moderation strongly. I don't like being moderated but I've never been moderated for something that didn't violate the rules that I agreed to. Sometimes it bothers me but I understand and accept the idea of complying with rules that I agreed to follow. My dad once offered this bit of criticism to me, "You always take the other guy's point of view too seriously." I've been participating in on line forums since the days of IRC, USENET, and BBSs. My favorite flame wars came from a blues mailing list when the topic "What is blues?" came up. It's like objective vs. subjective.

 

[Keith_W]

An ENTIRE subforum for snake oil?? I don't think that's necessary? What about chucking it in the "Member Area" subforum where all the snake oil threads can live with UFO discussions?

I think a "Help" subforum where people post measurements or questions would be far more, umm, helpful.

 

[Salt]

An ENTIRE subforum for snake oil?? I don't think that's necessary? What about chucking it in the "Member Area" subforum where all the snake oil threads can live with UFO discussions?

I think a "Help" subforum where people post measurements or questions would be far more, umm, helpful.

No need for subforum, highly agree.
Jist ONE THREAD in General Audio Discussion would be enough.

 

[kyuu]

An ENTIRE subforum for snake oil?? I don't think that's necessary? What about chucking it in the "Member Area" subforum where all the snake oil threads can live with UFO discussions?

I think a "Help" subforum where people post measurements or questions would be far more, umm, helpful.

Big agree on this one.

 

[DVinylfan]

Hello fellow ASR members!

Just wanted to take a moment to acknowledge some less obvious, but valuable efforts that go on here. I have seen a few posts since I resumed moderator duties that emphasize that there is only one ASR moderator now. While it is true that I am the only current holder of the moderator badge, the resulting activity is greatly improved by:

1. Several key supporting members that add their time and effort to improving moderation here. Some bring added experience and others just put in some extra effort. As many may not want their contributions known, will not identify these members specifically, but want to thank you for your support! I do not do this job alone.
2. Amir (who actually does a little moderation) has been supportive as I am still an apprentice moderator here. Navigating a membership that is culturally diverse, technically diverse and often strongly opinionated is challenging. Balancing tolerance while maintaining order is notably so. When frequently dealing with more negative issues, it can be difficult to see the more positive side. Amir has helped me do so.
3. All the ASR members who show restraint, respect others and contribute your talent to help others here, my sincerest thanks as well.

Finally, would just like to emphasize I may not always be your notion of an ideal moderator but am trying. Before I take action, I usually will give you some early feedback rather than issue warning points or a ban. If you have a question or complaint, use the Report feature or start a personal conversation with me. I try my best to be fair and objective. If you do not like my response, you can always appeal to Amir. Posting your complaint on a thread is less likely to help your cause and any extended dialog only clutters it for others.

Thanks again for supporting me and ASR!

Sincerely,

Rick

Appreciate you Rick and all your work, not to mention the interesting DIY and other threads you have posted here.
IME, the moderation on ASR works extremely well, and benefits greatly from self-moderation, with measures like the "ignore" button. Just ask the many members to whom this post is invisible.
Seriously though, I lasted exactly about 5 minutes before a lifetime ban on Steve Hoffmann just for being me.
How I do not miss being a part of the authoritarian preserve of elite subjective audio.
Then I found a home on ASR where I can enjoy my hobby, learn, have fun, exchange with my peers, do no harm, and stay out of trouble.
You are a big part of making that happen for me, and I thank you.