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If Bits are Bits
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Better means what? Under what circumstances are you comparing?
I don't agree or disagree, I just lack a point of comparison.
It doesn’t.
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If you run a green pen around the edge of each bit, the streamer will sound just as good as the CD player.
Where did you get that information, or have you done some comparisons yourself?
Ignore everyone who says you are wrong. There is still an issue of output voltage. A CD redbook player may output higher voltage than a DAC.
If you look at the Marantz SA-11s2, the voltage is extra high which can translate into louder volumes and higher SNR
Marantz SA-11S2 Reference SACD/CD Player Measurements
Sidebar 3: Measurements The Marantz SA-11S2 Reference was assessed using Audio Precision's SYS2722 system (see www.ap.com and "As We See It" in the January 2008 issue), as well as, for some tests, our Audio Precision System One and Miller Audio Research Jitter Analyzer.
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A CD player is simply a transport and a DAC combined. Surely, if there is an output difference it could go either way.Ignore everyone who says you are wrong. There is still an issue of output voltage. A CD redbook player may output higher voltage than a DAC.
If you look at the Marantz SA-11s2, the voltage is extra high which can translate into louder volumes and higher SNR
Marantz SA-11S2 Reference SACD/CD Player Measurements
Sidebar 3: Measurements The Marantz SA-11S2 Reference was assessed using Audio Precision's SYS2722 system (see www.ap.com and "As We See It" in the January 2008 issue), as well as, for some tests, our Audio Precision System One and Miller Audio Research Jitter Analyzer.Marantz SA-11s2 Review (SACD Player; Seiko NPC SM5866AS Monaural DAC)
Marantz SA-11s2 Review (2008-era SACD player with Seiko NPC SM5866AS Monaural DAC) Disclaimer: This review is limited by the limited availability of physical SACD test/diagnostics discs. DACs are all about precision Before there was hi-fi, the battles of engineering and craftsmanship lay in...
It’s off topic anyway. The premise is that bits are bits.
… or it may not, what’s your point?
Oh come on, this is very formulaic trolling. I am sure you can do better.
fpitas
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The trolling has been off lately. Perhaps we're too mean to them.
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The CD and the "CD quality" stream should sound identical, ASSUMING they are level matched, from the same source, and that there are no defects or "glitches" in the data.
The DSD may have different mastering. If not, there ARE still differences in the "bits" but it's highly unlikely that there audible differences in a proper blind ABX test,
The DSD may have different mastering. If not, there ARE still differences in the "bits" but it's highly unlikely that there audible differences in a proper blind ABX test,
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Metadata removal - I got it from the manager of the streaming site I use to publish previews of my music releases.
Gain changes - From Apple, YouTube, Spotify and others own documentation. Perhaps you've heard of the -14 integrated LUFS standard they have adopted...
Data compression - MP3 and various other compression types as used by Sirius satellite radio and no-frills Spotify, and judging from what I hear, quite a few others.
Once gain is changed or data compression is used, it is no longer 'bit-perfect' by any stretch of optimism.
fpitas
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One thing about this place; even the troll threads are informative.
Ignore everyone who says you are not wrong. The voltage is irrelevant - you're dealing with binary ones and zeros. You could print them onto paper and read back. Some people would say black dots are louder than grey dots. Ignore those people. As long as the bits get from a to b without issue they're identical, always.Ignore everyone who says you are wrong. There is still an issue of output voltage. A CD redbook player may output higher voltage than a DAC.
If you look at the Marantz SA-11s2, the voltage is extra high which can translate into louder volumes and higher SNR
Marantz SA-11S2 Reference SACD/CD Player Measurements
Sidebar 3: Measurements The Marantz SA-11S2 Reference was assessed using Audio Precision's SYS2722 system (see www.ap.com and "As We See It" in the January 2008 issue), as well as, for some tests, our Audio Precision System One and Miller Audio Research Jitter Analyzer.Marantz SA-11s2 Review (SACD Player; Seiko NPC SM5866AS Monaural DAC)
Marantz SA-11s2 Review (2008-era SACD player with Seiko NPC SM5866AS Monaural DAC) Disclaimer: This review is limited by the limited availability of physical SACD test/diagnostics discs. DACs are all about precision Before there was hi-fi, the battles of engineering and craftsmanship lay in...
Metadata removal - have no effect on sound quality.
The gain changes - that are done for normalization don't have any effect on sound quality as long as no "positive gain" is applied. The only one of the main music streaming sites that I know of that did that but has stopped doing it was Spotify.
Data compression - Yes, but OP is not talking about that. According to him: "A CD redbook player sound better than a Streamer at 44.1/16, or even DSD."
I'd have to say it doesn't.
fpitas
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The OP is strangely absent from this conversation.
Ultimate troll efficiency!
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