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Idaho Murders

sofrep811

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Anyone up for discussing that this Bryan Kohberger might be more intelligent than most think? Was he a horrible mass killer by leaving bread crumbs everywhere? Or was does he have some brilliant get out of jail bed crumb?


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Kohberger, in contrast, excelled in his college studies and sought recognition. He received a bachelor’s degree in psychology and a master’s degree in criminal justice from DeSales University, a private Catholic university in Pennsylvania, where he studied under the preeminent criminologist Katherine Ramsland, author of more than 60 books and 1,000 articles on violent criminals.



Some other details surrounding Kohberger’s alleged crimes also have me (and others) wondering whether he used his academic knowledge in the planning process. All accused people, including Kohberger, are entitled to the presumption of innocence. This tenet of our justice system is one which I, as a defense attorney, wholly support. The criminologist side of me, however, focuses on a Twitter posting from a witness at Kohberger’s formal booking process, who said that the suspect reportedly asked authorities, “Has anyone else been arrested for this crime?”





The probable cause affidavit that was the basis for Kohberger’s arrest was released on Jan. 5 and confirmed several anticipated sources of evidence. There was DNA at the scene and security camera footage of Kohberger’s car in the area the night of the murders. But it also revealed several surprises.



The bombshell is that there is an eyewitness. One of the surviving roommates in the house actually saw, and probably heard, the murderer. Page four of the affidavit reads like a script from a horror movie: After being awakened by the barking of one victim’s dog and the cries of another victim, the young woman opens the door to encounter a tall, athletic figure with bushy eyebrows, dressed in black with a face mask covering his mouth and nose.



The other interesting fact is that the killer left the leather sheath of a K-Bar knife in the bed of another victim. DNA from the snap on the sheath, processed through forensic genealogy, is what led investigators to Kohberger. The third category of evidence is digital in nature, with camera footage of the suspect’s car and cell pings from his mobile phone revealing a travel route that put him in the immediate area—not only on the night of the murders, but at least 12 times in three months prior to Nov. 13.



Would someone with Kohberger’s education in criminal justice and experience in private security (after high school, he worked part time as a security guard for his local school district) be so careless as to drive his own car, carry a phone, and leave behind the murder weapon sheath with his DNA on it? And when a killer has dispatched four victims and happens upon a fifth person on his way out the door, he usually dispatches them as well in order to maximize his chances of getting away with it.
 

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DNA on the K Bar sheath found on site links to him and your suggestion is we discuss the possibility he's smarter than possibly credited. Based on what, his asking one question about others perhaps being arrested for the crime? (Nothing doing there, sorry.) Maybe the conversation should be about his abundant stupidity?
 

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Yeah, maybe it's a failure of my imagination, but I struggle to envision a way that leaving your DNA at the scene of a murder will prove to be a key element in a defense argument that exonerates him. Compared to, say, NOT leaving your DNA at a crime scene, it doesn't seem very smart.
 

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Laymen experience difficulty understanding a psychopath. Although described as an "organized" criminal, he made several amateur mistakes. Knife attacks often leave perp's DNA. His cell phone trail could have been avoided with a burner phone. Placing his vehicle near the scene was inexcusable. Serial killers are hard to detect because victims are random and opportunistic. Now a social media presence was discovered. I don't believe he wanted to be caught subconsciously. Murders were neither random or opportunistic. Much easier for investigators to solve.
 

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I suspect his brain got scrambled fairly quickly. In the first bedroom he entered there were two women instead of one, the other only staying the night having previously moved out. As he was coming back down the stairs he saw, or was seen by, another housemate coming from the kitchen getting a drink, or disposing of food (related to the 4am food delivery), and followed/chased her back to her room. He then encountered another unexpected guest - her boyfriend (possibly sleeping). Having now killed 4 people he's probably exhausted and with tunnel vision heading for the exit. He does return later (around 9am), maybe he thought he dropped the sheath outside and briefly looked for it?

The witness to him leaving may have only had her door open a few inches, standing in the dark so that he didn't see her. Just prior to him turning right to exit out the kitchen there's also a neon sign (good vibes) on the wall which would have robbed him of his night vision, making her harder to see. Her doorway is also recessed. So, he left a sheath and a witness. Also, rather than turn his phone off during the time of the murders he could have left it on in his apartment. He used his own car. And there's the unconfirmed social media posts (pappa rodger), maybe even DM's. It was probably an unexpectedly chaotic situation because he was dumb enough to believe in the serene plan in his head. It's a bit like everyone having a plan until you get punched in the mouth. This all ended at around 4.20am, with the police called at noon.

Finally, this has been described as a 'party house,' so the witness may have been used to visitors at all hours. It would still be natural to be shocked at the sight of a strange man, and to go back in your room and lock the door, particularly as she had only been there a few months. The killer was also coming from a direction where a man of bigger stature was staying the night, which may have led her believe that anything particularly untoward was unlikely, may have even thought he was a friend of the other male. May have worn a covid mask + winter. The police had also been called on several occasions for noise complaints. So, being a new housemate, possibly drunk/tired, do you at that moment suspect all your friends have been murdered, or do you think there might have been some small college drama (all quiet now), and enquire about it when you wake up? Based on the reported condition of the two surviving housemates when the call was made, it seems pretty clear they only found out at noon.

Right, no need for a trial, all solved!

Virtual tour of house (hit sun/crescent symbol to toggle lighting): https://www.kuula.co/post/NWv3X/collection/79sT0
 

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I suspect his brain got scrambled fairly quickly. In the first bedroom he entered there were two women instead of one, the other only staying the night having previously moved out. As he was coming back down the stairs he saw, or was seen by, another housemate coming from the kitchen getting a drink, or disposing of food (related to the 4am food delivery), and followed/chased her back to her room. He then encountered another unexpected guest - her boyfriend (possibly sleeping). Having now killed 4 people he's probably exhausted and with tunnel vision heading for the exit. He does return later (around 9am), maybe he thought he dropped the sheath outside and briefly looked for it?

The witness to him leaving may have only had her door open a few inches, standing in the dark so that he didn't see her. Just prior to him turning right to exit out the kitchen there's also a neon sign (good vibes) on the wall which would have robbed him of his night vision, making her harder to see. Her doorway is also recessed. So, he left a sheath and a witness. Also, rather than turn his phone off during the time of the murders he could have left it on in his apartment. He used his own car. And there's the unconfirmed social media posts (pappa rodger), maybe even DM's. It was probably an unexpectedly chaotic situation because he was dumb enough to believe in the serene plan in his head. It's a bit like everyone having a plan until you get punched in the mouth. This all ended at around 4.20am, with the police called at noon.

Finally, this has been described as a 'party house,' so the witness may have been used to visitors at all hours. It would still be natural to be shocked at the sight of a strange man, and to go back in your room and lock the door, particularly as she had only been there a few months. The killer was also coming from a direction where a man of bigger stature was staying the night, which may have led her believe that anything particularly untoward was unlikely, may have even thought he was a friend of the other male. May have worn a covid mask + winter. The police had also been called on several occasions for noise complaints. So, being a new housemate, possibly drunk/tired, do you at that moment suspect all your friends have been murdered, or do you think there might have been some small college drama (all quiet now), and enquire about it when you wake up? Based on the reported condition of the two surviving housemates when the call was made, it seems pretty clear they only found out at noon.

Right, no need for a trial, all solved!

Virtual tour of house (hit sun/crescent symbol to toggle lighting): https://www.kuula.co/post/NWv3X/collection/79sT0
He did kill 2 more. I suspect last girl saved because out of time. He didn't know if police had been called.
 
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