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I don’t know why but…..my external dac isn’t right

s3Yn

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I have jbl305mk2 which connected to pioneer dvd 2022k.I listen some nu metal stuff with cd and one day I decided to buy a dac.I found smsl c200 pro for 80 dollars and bought it.And when I plugged it to my system with COAX I found that I started not enjoying the music I listen.the vocals became quiet and the guitar became softer(in bad terms) and I getting headache after listening for a 30 minutes.i don’t know why but without this dac I like music way better.What should I do? Sell smsl or give it a more chance? Or like just buy another one and compare it(I found Fiio k11 r2r for 100 dollars)
 
I suggest you try the various filters on the smsl. See if that helps. There are 6 I think. Some of them give me pulsing in my skull from the highs at various intensities, some don't, one sounds good to me.

But generally if you don't like the sound of new gear, over a day or two listening, return it or sell it if you can't return and try something else. Better to sell for a small loss than have it sit there unused.

The Fiio should sound very different. Whether you like that or not is another question.
 
I suggest you try the various filters on the smsl. See if that helps. There are 6 I think. Some of them give me pulsing in my skull from the highs at various intensities, some don't, one sounds good to me.

But generally if you don't like the sound of new gear, over a day or two listening, return it or sell it if you can't return and try something else. Better to sell for a small loss than have it sit there unused.

The Fiio should sound very different. Whether you like that or not is another question.
It is very weird that my old dvd pioneer 2022k is better than that or it is just me
 
Just curious, what are you using as a cable between the Pioneer and the DAC?
Jbl305mk2 with rca-xlr adapter to smsl and smsl with coaxial cable to dvd(I also have trs-trs cable and maybe I should try with that)
 
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Sell it or return it and be happy. That’s good advice. Don’t go chasing Dacs. It will cost you money for nothing. Good advice is: the blind testing, level matching, within specs, etc. elsewhere on this forum.
 
Sell it or return it and be happy. That’s good advice. Don’t go chasing Dacs. It will cost you money for nothing. Good advice is: the blind testing, level matching, within specs, etc. elsewhere on this forum.
Ok,but how is it possible that sound is better without it when I use with very old dvd
 
Maybe the cable, or a setting in the dvd player? Changed to coax digital out (according the manual)You bought the dac new? Second hand (broken?).

If the sound is really terrible, buying a 75-ohm cable will not correct that, I think. But it is suggested and I could be wrong.
 
Ok,but how is it possible that sound is better without it when I use with very old dvd
It's unlikely that there is any diference in the audio quality at all. The differences you describe like
the vocals became quiet and the guitar became softer
are not something a DAC could do - it doesn't "understand" what is an instrument or what is a voice, it just converts digital signals to analog regardless of origin. The most likely explanation is that the effect is pure placebo and nothing changed at all, but something made you uncomfortable. Other possible explanations are that you simply listened louder than usual because you wanted to really test out that new DAC or that the DAC actually is defective.

In any case, there is not need for the SMSL DAC in your setup. It is very unlikely that an external DAC would bring any audible improvements to your system, regardless of the type or manufacturer of the DAC. The best advice - as given by other members - is to return the SMSL and to be happy with your "old" setup.
 
It is very weird that my old dvd pioneer 2022k is better than that or it is just me
Ok,but how is it possible that sound is better without it when I use with very old dvd

You like what you like.

The smsl will be more accurate, but DVD dacs tend to be less accurate in playback (I don't know the dac in the pioneer, so I can't give specifics for sure). Generally you'll get more distortion, more noise maybe. Some people find a bit more distortion to be pleasing (for some levels and some types of distortion). It can add "warmth and richness" to the sound is how some describe it.

I do suggest you spend a couple hours listening to the new dac. Listen to things you know well. See if you can hear things you've never heard before. Play with the roll off filters (try 1, most say it is the warmest sound, so my guess is that you will like that one the most... even if you don't like it). Might as well play a bit and explore different sounds while you can.

So my guess, and it is very much a guess, is that you will like the Fiio more. More than the Pioneer? Give it a couple of days before you decide on that.
 
Ye, I started to hear some new things but it is really awful and just very flat for me
A DAC (or any electronics) shouldn't have a particular "sound" unless you are using EQ/tone controls or unless you overdrive an amplifier (or something) into clipping (distortion). Generally, DACs are better than human hearing.

I've only heard a difference or defect from a "DAC" once and it was a soundcard that made noise when the hard drive was accessed. I never heard anything wrong with the DAC built-into my 1st CD player 40 years ago!

With electronics there are ONLY 3 characteristics of sound quality - Noise (hum, hiss, or whine in the background), frequency response (bass, treble, etc.) and distortion (like when you turn up the volume and try to get 100 Watts out of a 50W amplifier). Frequency response and distortion are almost always better than human hearing unless you push an amplifier into distortion. Sometimes there is audible noise. Noise is an easily identifiable defect... Either you hear it or you don't and if you can hear it, it's not too hard to tell if one device is better than another.

With speakers, room acoustics, and headphones, it gets more complicated but it's mostly frequency response and in this case it's almost NEVER as good as human hearing. Speakers and headphones have the biggest effect on sound quality, by far. If you want better sound, get better speakers/headphones.

Audiophoolery describes the FEW REAL characteristics of sound quality. That should help you to ignore all of the flowery-poetic nonsense-language that you'll read in reviews and on most "audiophile" forums.

Ok,but how is it possible that sound is better without it when I use with very old dvd
It's POSSIBLE that there's something wrong with the old DVD player but you prefer that sound. Or, it could be the placebo effect (your brain fooling you). Or a volume difference can be perceived as something other than a volume difference. Louder usually sounds better, you can hear more details and louder is often described as "more dynamic", etc.

And there is a NORMAL perception based on the Equal Loudness Curves that makes it sound like you've turned-down the bass when you've only turned-down the volume.

But the main reason for level-matching in a blind A/B or ABX test is that's it's a dead-giveaway to which one is A and which one is B, and the placebo effect can persist.

Even audio professionals and experts are often fooled (or fool themselves) in casual-uncontrolled listening tests!
What is a blind ABX test?
Controlled Audio Blind Listening Tests
 
I have jbl305mk2 which connected to pioneer dvd 2022k.I listen some nu metal stuff with cd and one day I decided to buy a dac.I found smsl c200 pro for 80 dollars and bought it.And when I plugged it to my system with COAX I found that I started not enjoying the music I listen.the vocals became quiet and the guitar became softer(in bad terms) and I getting headache after listening for a 30 minutes.i don’t know why but without this dac I like music way better.What should I do? Sell smsl or give it a more chance? Or like just buy another one and compare it(I found Fiio k11 r2r for 100 dollars)
Could be entirely in you head. Hard to know. Measurements might explain, tho. Really hard to believe unless the dac is broken that it is the issue. Maybe the way you have things setup or eq'd....
 
Could be entirely in you head. Hard to know. Measurements might explain, tho. Really hard to believe unless the dac is broken that it is the issue. Maybe the way you have things setup or eq'd....
Yeah, if anything it could be an EQ setting on the DVD player. Taking OP's statement at face value, subdued guitar and voice would correspond to a relative drop in the mids.
 
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Yeah, if anything it could be an EQ setting on the DVD player. Taking OP's statement at face value, subdued guitar and voice would correspond to a relative drop in the midst.
One would expect that any EQ setting would also affect the digital output. The player does have some basic EQ and dialogue normalization. The manual does not say to what outputs it applies to.
@s3Yn, do you have any of these settings applied? If so, can you compare without these engaged?
 
you need a proper blind test to determine what you are really hearing. Differences between digital sources are so tiny that in 99.9% of cases, when someone hears one of the sources as "better" or "worse", it’s just their brain playing tricks. For example, you were probably listening to a new DAC more attentively (because it’s new and you wanted to hear whether it’s better or not), and thus you got fatigued faster.
 
It's also possible that the output voltage of one DAC is lower than the other. The one with the lower output voltage will sound worse.

This is why I had a hell of a time recently when I was test driving a new VST. In addition to all the changes I knew the VST was making, it was also dropping the volume. I wasn't sure if the tonality changes I heard was due to the VST or the SPL.
 
Jbl305mk2 with rca-xlr adapter to smsl and smsl with coaxial cable to dvd(I also have trs-trs cable and maybe I should try with that)
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I suspect it could be the rca-xlr adapter that is causing the problem. Some are just fine, others aren’t.
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