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Hypex Nilai500DIY Amplifier Review

Rate this amplifier:

  • 1. Poor (headless panther)

    Votes: 5 1.2%
  • 2. Not terrible (postman panther)

    Votes: 16 4.0%
  • 3. Fine (happy panther)

    Votes: 76 18.8%
  • 4. Great (golfing panther)

    Votes: 308 76.0%

  • Total voters
    405
Is the natural sound reproduction the meaning of their job?

What even is "natural" sound reproduction?

I've seen it written on some Yamaha products, and it always makes me giggle. Does it add a background soundscape of bird chirps and waves breaking on shore? :D

As far as I'm concerned, sound reproduction can be either "accurate" or enjoyable, or both.

The industry loves to push the idea of "natural" sounding gear. It wouldn't bother me if it was just marketing speak for "a highly believable illusion", but instead it's nearly always presented as some weird Schrödinger's sound reproduction that's both extremely accurate but also distinctly colored to make it stand out from the crowd :facepalm:

My two guesses as to what happened in you listening tests:

  1. The age old idea of Class D being "robotic" and lifeless had nested somewhere in your brain and clouded your judgement.
  2. The load indifference of the Nilai resulted in a more flat frequency response, and it was unfamiliar/displeasing to you.
Either way, all you probably need to do is let you brain do some burn-in for while to bring the soul back.
 
Conclusion
Hypex Nilai is a great amp, very powerful, sound is high quality, but it lacks filters or something else which in the end became artificial, metallic and lifeless.
It may be worthwhile to double check all of the internal connections on your Nilai. If those check out OK, try listening to each channel individually in mono to verify you do not have a bad module on one of the channels. If they both sound the same, perhaps there is an issue with the power supply?

My Nilai definitely does not sound artificial, metallic nor lifeless. It sounds really good.

Alpha Audio used a Nilai to test a large number of speakers about a year ago. On some speakers (e.g., KEF R3 meta) they actually liked the Nilai better than their Pass Labs amplifier.
 
Hello dear ASR community.

I would like to share with you my feedback from demoing the Hypex Niali (two monoblocks in single case) in terms of the sound quality. I am not having some extraordinary hearing capabilities, but I like to have fun listening to music... But to keep that post shorter, I go straight to the description of my experience.

I was listening on speakers in my home on Spendor D9.2 connected to an old Denon AVR X3300W used in Direct mode.

First listening ( Denon -> Nilai -> Spendor) - the sound quality has improved in terms of detail and sound stage, instruments were separated, and the speakers sounded much more powerful, however, the sound became less alive, boring, and hm.. metallic. The music lost its magic and fun, it was noticeable from the first song...

Second listening ( Topping DX3Pro+ > Nilai -> Spendor) - I have used Topping as a DAC and preamp to check if old DAC in Denon could be the reason of that metallic sound. The music in this configuration was better in any terms, with even more details, better sound stage and more hm 3dimentional, but still no fun, no magic, still the metallic sound.

Third listening ( Denon -> Spendor) - back to the roots, as expected, the sound became weaker, but not so much as I thought it would be, less detailed, but the magic has come back! My favorite songs came back to life, they were rhythmic, and alive, and it was fun to listen to them again.

Next day, I have packed the Nilai and went to a local hifi store where they prepared a listening room for me with Spendor D9 to compare my amp with their flagships Accuphase E-800 (Class A) and Accuphase E-5000 (Class AB).

First listening Accuphase E-5000 - the music was extremely good, and detailed, bass was massive and went much lower than at home, it was fun to listen the music, and it was alive.

Second listening Accuphase E-800 - music was also very good, but class A was too weak for this size of speakers, and it was heard...

Third listening Nilai - the power came back again, very detailed, bass was there but was not able to go as low as Accuphase E-5000 but it was much better sound as E-800, and again... music lost magic and became metallic. It surprised me because I did not tell the experts from the hifi store what to expect from this amp, and after the listening I asked them for feedback before I said mine. They have agreed that the sound was very good, sound stage wide (but less wide than E-5000), and unfortunately... metallic and fatiguing.

4th listening Accuphase E-5000 - to check the sound signature of this metallic touch, we have returned to listening to the first amp. It was clear from the first song, that magic was there, the song was joyful and it was a pleasure to listen to it, the bass was very low.

After that two intensive days I have decided to return Nilai and start looking for an amp which would give my similar experience to Accuphase.

Conclusion
Hypex Nilai is a great amp, very powerful, sound is high quality, but it lacks filters or something else which in the end became artificial, metallic and lifeless.

I did not want to criticize anyone or the class d amp in general, but maybe there is a measurement which could find that problem and test it - from the scientific angle - during ASR review process.

To be honest, I have not heard of the competition. Recently I contacted Tibor from ApollonAudio and he recommended Purifi with Sparkos SS2590 op amps which he described as a more musical and warm sound. Maybe in near future I will have the opportunity to do so, but for now, I need to allocate my audio budget to something different.

I hope that it will help someone and show my thoughts about Class D amp from different angle.

I would suggest you to test Nilai with some proper preamp/DAC/streamer, that has balanced XLR outputs. Things should improve immediately.
 
It may be worthwhile to double check all of the internal connections on your Nilai. If those check out OK, try listening to each channel individually in mono to verify you do not have a bad module on one of the channels. If they both sound the same, perhaps there is an issue with the power supply?

My Nilai definitely does not sound artificial, metallic nor lifeless. It sounds really good.

Alpha Audio used a Nilai to test a large number of speakers about a year ago. On some speakers (e.g., KEF R3 meta) they actually liked the Nilai better than their Pass Labs amplifier.
Yeah only reading about the 'naturalness'/'softness' of the high frequencies of this amplifier.
 
I would suggest you to test Nilai with some proper preamp/DAC/streamer, that has balanced XLR outputs. Things should improve immediately.
I doubt it. unless the problem is audible ground noise.
 
It may be worthwhile to double check all of the internal connections on your Nilai. If those check out OK, try listening to each channel individually in mono to verify you do not have a bad module on one of the channels. If they both sound the same, perhaps there is an issue with the power supply?

My Nilai definitely does not sound artificial, metallic nor lifeless. It sounds really good.

Alpha Audio used a Nilai to test a large number of speakers about a year ago. On some speakers (e.g., KEF R3 meta) they actually liked the Nilai better than their Pass Labs amplifier.
I have watched their life test on yt, which was one of the reasons why I have decided to give that amp a try.

Please do not also misunderstand me, the amp sounds really great, with much clarity and space. I would also clarify that there is nothing wrong with my brain, I haven't clouded my judgment with any rumours and I have never heard of any class D amp.

I have also observed improvement in sound when switching DAC at home from Denon to Topping. In hifi store there were some extremely good DAC Ayon if I remember correctly.

After reading your all answers I have tried to dig out even more on the topic of class D amps and I have found two similar opinions to mine:

In this movie, there was a comment that class D amp is great but it needs to be 'refined' which mean add distortion to sound more pleasant.

There is also another implementation of class D amp with integrated tube which was recommended to me by one of the local hifi store after listening to my experience with Nilai:
https://www.vincent-tac.de/en/product-types/poweramplifiers/sp-332.html
 
After reading your all answers I have tried to dig out even more on the topic of class D amps and I have found two similar opinions to mine:
"Look until you find something that confirms what you believe": :)

As to the videos, remember that anyone can post on youtube. And they do. Many of us refer to PS Audio as "BS Audio"...
 
After reading your all answers I have tried to dig out even more on the topic of class D amps and I have found two similar opinions to mine:
Thank you... I guess.

I'm sure that ASR members will be glad to be challenged by those three clowns you are refering to. :p
 
These are very different implementations (NC500 and Purifi). It's like comparing different cars on gasoline, they both use gasoline but implementation is very different so the end experience...
 
I would also clarify that there is nothing wrong with my brain, I haven't clouded my judgment with any rumours and I have never heard of any class D amp.
No-one is saying there is anything wrong with your brain. In fact exactly the opposite.

That is the way it works. Your brain (and that of every other human being) subconsciously filters your seneses (you could not function if it did not) and unconscious biases can alter what you see and hear.

This happens to everyone - and it is happening all the time.

Take a look around you. See that 3d world you are sitting in. That 3d model you are looking at doesn't exist in your eyes. It has been constructed by your brain from the information contained in two tiny, upside down, somewhat fuzzy 2d images on the back of your retinas.

It is utterly amazing how that results in your sense of the 3d world around you. But your brain is "filling in the gaps" to do it.
 
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No-one is saying there is anything wrong with your brain. In fact exactly the opposite.

That is the way it works. Your brain (and that of every other human being) subconsciously filters your seneses (you could not function if it did not) and unconscious biases can alter what you see and hear.

This happens to everyone - and it is happening all the time.

Take a look around you. See that 3d world you are sitting in. That 3d model you are looking at doesn't exist in your eyes. It has been constructed by your brain from the information contained in two tiny, upside down, somewhat fuzzy 2d images on the back of your retinas.

It is utterly amazing how that results in your sense of the 3d world around you. But your brain is "filling in the gaps" to do it.
I also believe this “ filling in the gaps” occur in our auditory perception as well, in our brain, to evoke an emotional response to the musical event. I think that with a higher fidelity playback system, the easier the process. Stress and high expectations can also interfere with this, I found myself sometimes enjoying a tune (in a totally immersive way) from my bedroom clock radio (mono!) waking up in the morning much more than my main system!
 
I have watched their life test on yt, which was one of the reasons why I have decided to give that amp a try.

Please do not also misunderstand me, the amp sounds really great, with much clarity and space. I would also clarify that there is nothing wrong with my brain, I haven't clouded my judgment with any rumours and I have never heard of any class D amp.

I have also observed improvement in sound when switching DAC at home from Denon to Topping. In hifi store there were some extremely good DAC Ayon if I remember correctly.

After reading your all answers I have tried to dig out even more on the topic of class D amps and I have found two similar opinions to mine:

In this movie, there was a comment that class D amp is great but it needs to be 'refined' which mean add distortion to sound more pleasant.

There is also another implementation of class D amp with integrated tube which was recommended to me by one of the local hifi store after listening to my experience with Nilai:
https://www.vincent-tac.de/en/product-types/poweramplifiers/sp-332.html
Yep, some like some distortion (tubes provide) and think it is pleasant. Not a problem, tastes differ, but adding stuff into the signal is not accuracy.
 
I would also clarify that there is nothing wrong with my brain, I haven't clouded my judgment with any rumours and I have never heard of any class D amp.

We are not saying there's anything wrong with you brain. Just that it suffers from the same unfortunate side effects of cognitive bias as any and all other human brains.

I seriously doubt that you have never ever been subjected to a single opinion about Class D from other people's mouths or writing ;)
 
I dk, I initially thought he was trolling with his review. His pairing of a $900 AVR with the Spendor 9.2's. His amazement when the very well regarded pro monitors sounded too analytical. And then comparing a Nilai to the newer Accuphase 5000 model.

After some other things he said maybe my initial thought was off base..I think he is just trying to figure out the "sound" he likes. I've never heard the Nilai paired with a set of 9.2's but the metallic comment still throws me for a loop. I can understand some of the subjective complaints of certain class D amps..i just don't feel that the Nilai is of the same cloth. I guess we all hear things differently. We like what we like. Is what it is.

Anyway, the reason I came back to this thread was to ask a question.

Does switching the gain on the Hypex change it's output impedance? Initially I was running the amp straight from a RME..1st in high gain & then switched to low. I didn't sense a difference in anything other than volume. I've been using a preamp with the Nilai for a couple weeks now & knew I needed to adjust the gain but never got around to it til today. I switched to medium and I perceived a bigger change than just volume.

I'm not familiar with this sort of thing so when I googled afterwards I read that sometimes switching gain on certain amps can change the output impedance & have an affect on the speakers. Or is there more to it? I wasn't expecting to notice any difference..& I don't really like what changed. Which was my soundstage. It became wider but also made it very noticeable that sound is coming from my speakers. I have grown accustomed to my speakers "disappearing" in my room. Everything between my 9 foot apart speakers.

So is this real or is my mind playing tricks on me?
 
I figured..and I would imagine that something significant would have to happen to actually make a real change. So idk. I guess I won't put too much thought into it.
A volume change (even a very small one) will also change your perception of the frequency balance - see : equal loudness curves.

If you accurately (within 0.1dB using a volt meter) match the volume by turning it down at the higher gain, any differences you are perceiving will probably disappear. Obviously not much point in actually testing that unless you are interested. Just listen at a volume that sounds good.
 
I dk, I initially thought he was trolling with his review. His pairing of a $900 AVR with the Spendor 9.2's. His amazement when the very well regarded pro monitors sounded too analytical. And then comparing a Nilai to the newer Accuphase 5000 model.

After some other things he said maybe my initial thought was off base..I think he is just trying to figure out the "sound" he likes. I've never heard the Nilai paired with a set of 9.2's but the metallic comment still throws me for a loop. I can understand some of the subjective complaints of certain class D amps..i just don't feel that the Nilai is of the same cloth. I guess we all hear things differently. We like what we like. Is what it is.

Anyway, the reason I came back to this thread was to ask a question.

Does switching the gain on the Hypex change it's output impedance? Initially I was running the amp straight from a RME..1st in high gain & then switched to low. I didn't sense a difference in anything other than volume. I've been using a preamp with the Nilai for a couple weeks now & knew I needed to adjust the gain but never got around to it til today. I switched to medium and I perceived a bigger change than just volume.

I'm not familiar with this sort of thing so when I googled afterwards I read that sometimes switching gain on certain amps can change the output impedance & have an affect on the speakers. Or is there more to it? I wasn't expecting to notice any difference..& I don't really like what changed. Which was my soundstage. It became wider but also made it very noticeable that sound is coming from my speakers. I have grown accustomed to my speakers "disappearing" in my room. Everything between my 9 foot apart speakers.

So is this real or is my mind playing tricks on me?
I would like to point out that Denon was used only as a reference, and only because... I just had it available at home...

All the testing and pairing was to find a better amp which would replace my old AVR.

Regarding Nilai, my version has had a fixed gain and based on the other version it was on the level that the other ones defined as 'low'. But I could confirm that the speakers were very noticeable (I did not write it at first because I thought that it could be caused by my room acoustng issues).

Yesterday I borrowed Arcam AVR31 for home testing (the first time in my life I have heard class G amp) and it matched extremely well, goosebumps, fun, and musicality were there... I did not make any room corrections, because the Arcam has only paid Dirac option and the demo amp did not have it purchased.

My wife (who loves rock and heavy rock music) has said that she has never heard these songs in such a detailed and pleasurable way. After she has heard how much it cost, she has lost her happiness ;)


If anyone is interested: Spendor => Arcam sounds really good (for my ears, I would like to try demoing next ARCAM AVR11/21 + ARCAM PA240 to have more headroom for stereo).

The last test will be with Anthem MRX 740 with Vincent SP-332 which was also recommended, I will update the post after that test if I will be still available on this forum (not banned).
 
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