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Hypex NC252MP + Node n132 (streamer) - Am I doing it right?

StefanSweden

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Im looking for a small footprint, future proof and enough power. Im not interested in a all in one integrated amp.

From what I have read a hypex amp with a streamer would work? Please correct me if Im wrong.

Im considering Neutrino Colorcube (hypex ncore 252) with a Blu Node N132, using a trigger cable. The volume will be controlled via the BluOs app.

Is this right? :)
 
Sounds fine :)

The Node only has single ended (not balanced) output, but that's not a real issue.

You'll be dependent on the BluOs app, and presumably the remote, for volume - but you know that.
There's a technical concern about what happens if your Node resets and outputs full volume. I've not heard of any real world problems with Bluesound though, so probably fine.

There are other options, but yours is a good one.
 
Sounds fine :)

The Node only has single ended (not balanced) output, but that's not a real issue.

You'll be dependent on the BluOs app, and presumably the remote, for volume - but you know that.
There's a technical concern about what happens if your Node resets and outputs full volume. I've not heard of any real world problems with Bluesound though, so probably fine.

There are other options, but yours is a good one.
Thank you for your encouragement :)

The reason for bluesound is that I already own a powernode edge which I will use in the tv room with my Dali Oberon 1 and SVS Sb-1000 pro.

I like the BluOs app and interface, and Im interested in trying out Dirac which the n132 has (if I buy the licence). I will also be able to create a multiroom setup which I may or may not use.
 
Im looking for a small footprint, future proof and enough power. Im not interested in a all in one integrated amp.

From what I have read a hypex amp with a streamer would work? Please correct me if Im wrong.

Im considering Neutrino Colorcube (hypex ncore 252) with a Blu Node N132, using a trigger cable. The volume will be controlled via the BluOs app.

Is this right? :)
Hi. I guess it should work fine :) and looks like a great combination. If you‘d use less sensitive speakers you might maybe not reach maximum wanted volume due to output voltage of RCA (aprrox. 2Vrms) and „only“ 26dB of gain with the amp.
 
Hi. I guess it should work fine :) and looks like a great combination. If you‘d use less sensitive speakers you might maybe not reach maximum wanted volume due to output voltage of RCA (aprrox. 2Vrms) and „only“ 26dB of gain with the amp.
If I understand your concern right the potential problem is the nodes output voltage? Is this a major concern as in I should look for an other streamer?

The speakers Im buying is the Dali Opticon 6 mk2.
 
It‘s rather that the Amp might be built to handle higher than 2 V maximum. Probably with this speaker its not a problem at all. Even seems to be a perfect match as the calculated power is a perfect match with the speakers specs.
You should be absolutely fine unless the speakers are often run at their maximum recommended power levels. In this case, maybe, you could get more „impact“ in some higher volume parts of some tracks.
If that would be a problem, you could still add an external XLR DAC with higher voltage to the node. (Like the SMSL SU8)

Did some GPT-Math. (no guarantee on correctness):


Step 1 — voltage gain factor
G = 10^{\frac{25.5}{20}} \approx 18.8365

Step 2 — output voltage (RMS)
V_\text{out} = 2.00\ \text{V RMS} \times 18.8365 \approx 37.673\ \text{V RMS}

Step 3 — power into 6 Ω
P = \frac{V_\text{out}^2}{R} = \frac{37.673^2}{6} \approx 236.54\ \text{W RMS}

Step 4 — resulting SPL (1 m)

Speaker sensitivity = 88 dB (1 W @ 1 m). Increase from 1 W to 236.54 W:

\Delta_\text{SPL} = 10\log_{10}(236.54)\approx 23.74\ \text{dB}

So SPL at 1 m ≈ 88 + 23.74 = 111.7 dB SPL

For quick reference, approximate SPLs at common listening distances (spherical 6 dB per doubling of distance):
  • 1 m: ≈ 111.7 dB
  • 2 m: ≈ 105.7 dB
  • 3 m: ≈ 101.7 dB

Conclusion (short):

Yes — 2 V RMS into an amp with 25.5 dB gain theoretically produces about 237 W into 6 Ω, giving ~112 dB at 1 m from an 88 dB/W/m speaker — which is very loud for domestic listening.
 
Correction:
better: „higher maximal signal voltage to the amp“
than“ higher voltage to the node“.

Good luck :)

Btw. If you would use an external dac for left/right, this could lead to problems with room correction (subwoofer volume matching and subwoofer timing) when the sub is attached to the node. Better do without an external dac.
 
Correction:
better: „higher maximal signal voltage to the amp“
than“ higher voltage to the node“.

Good luck :)

Btw. If you would use an external dac for left/right, this could lead to problems with room correction (subwoofer volume matching and subwoofer timing) when the sub is attached to the node. Better do without an external dac.

Would the Bluesound Node Icon N530 be a better buy? is has higher voltage output, a nice screen, possibility to buy a remote etc. More expensive, but still, would it be better for me? :)
 
Would the Bluesound Node Icon N530 be a better buy? is has higher voltage output, a nice screen, possibility to buy a remote etc. More expensive, but still, would it be better for me? :)
"better" is a tricky concept - very subjective

The Icon would give you balanced output and quite a few more features. It will not improve the sound quality, and you may never need the extra power that the higher output can (theoretically) give. Still no physical volume control, but you can add a remote.

It looks cool, but it is quite a bit more expensive.

No-one can really help I'm afraid - what is 'better' for you :)
 
"better" is a tricky concept - very subjective

The Icon would give you balanced output and quite a few more features. It will not improve the sound quality, and you may never need the extra power that the higher output can (theoretically) give. Still no physical volume control, but you can add a remote.

It looks cool, but it is quite a bit more expensive.

No-one can really help I'm afraid - what is 'better' for you :)

I got caught up in the voltage output between the two, thinking it would negativley affect the sound in a significant way?

All I really care about is BluOs and dirac but I would hate to not shell out a few bucks more to get better sound. Perhaps Im over thinking :)
 
Higher input voltage only gives you a higher theoretical output, but has no bearing on quality.

You won't use all that power anyway, it would be too loud. Actually, even with 2v I think you could drive the Amp into clipping which will sound nasty. If you really need that much power and SPL then you're going to need to upgrade Amp and Speakers significantly - but that's just not needed, and it's expensive..

It's easy to overthink and to chase (unnecessary) perfection
 
Higher input voltage only gives you a higher theoretical output, but has no bearing on quality.

You won't use all that power anyway, it would be too loud. Actually, even with 2v I think you could drive the Amp into clipping which will sound nasty. If you really need that much power and SPL then you're going to need to upgrade Amp and Speakers significantly - but that's just not needed, and it's expensive..

It's easy to overthink and to chase (unnecessary) perfection

I agree, but am still not sure and wondering if it really doesnt affect short time transients when listening very dynamic music at higher levels.
But thats probably chasing unnecessary perfection ;)
 
I agree, but am still not sure and wondering if it really doesnt affect short time transients when listening very dynamic music at higher levels.
But thats probably chasing unnecessary perfection ;)
It takes a while to get comfortable with this - it took me a while anyway.

If you play music at a reasonable volume - say 70 dBSPL, which is much louder than I listen - you use a few Watts only. Use a calculator to check. I doesn't matter if your Amp can deliver 2x, 3x or 10x that power, those are just unused Watts.

Very little music is actually 'very dynamic ', usually the most challenging genres are classical - full orchestration. What do you listen to? A cymbal crash, front of the mix, at high volume is difficult, but who listens to that!

If your system can reproduce the higher frequencies - above 15 kHz - and it can (that's 15,000 oscillations per second) then "short term transients" are easily covered.

Music is not all that difficult for our electronics.
Speakers, and speaker/room interaction is a different story.
 
Im looking for a small footprint, future proof and enough power. Im not interested in a all in one integrated amp.

From what I have read a hypex amp with a streamer would work? Please correct me if Im wrong.

Im considering Neutrino Colorcube (hypex ncore 252) with a Blu Node N132, using a trigger cable. The volume will be controlled via the BluOs app.

Is this right? :)
hey, how dit it work out in the end?
have a great day.
 
hey, how dit it work out in the end?
have a great day.


I have had it for a while now and I love it :). Easy to control, the amp goes in to "sleep mode" when not in use and start up when there is a signal from the Node. Enough power and the case hardy gets warm. Here are a few more pictures of the amp Link


Sorry for the bad picture quality

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