How would you spend $10k on an LCR?

[AnonymousAudio]

Here's the setup ill be adding/replacing in my current system. Thnx for all the advice, tips & discussion. And I got a lot more out of my $10k than an LCR

 

[ZolaIII]

As much as I can get sentimental with Onkyo (not really and even when I whose it whose more about the institute). Even at inflated cost try to catch Denon AVR-X3700H if you possibly can (as you have time you might). And use that app with it.
What did I say about measured things?
That's regarding AVR and I won't even comment about speakers (watching movie right now or at least I whose it's a bad one anyway).

 

[AnonymousAudio]

Wheres a good place to sell old Audio Gear?

 

[GXAlan]

Wheres a good place to sell old Audio Gear?

TMRAudio is reliable. You don’t get top dollar but avoiding the hassle of scammers is great.

Usaudiomart and Audiogon are good options too but there are more risks

 

[Martin]

Wheres a good place to sell old Audio Gear?

I have had excellent luck on USAudioMart, EBay, Craigslist, and several audio related forums. As with any personal sales transaction you just need to be wary. I have never had a transaction go sideways.

With your budget I'd be buying used, refurbished, or b-stock. You'll easily make your $10k budget stretch to cover speakers that were originally $20-30k.

Martin

 

[ta240]

....The Martin logan's were the ones I had done virtually zero research on and surprised me completely coming out of left field. ...

It is funny, I had a similar experience this weekend. We went to a different BestBuy to listen to the Kef R5 Metas again (didn't have a great experience at the last store). At the other store they only had lower models in the Martin Logan line and I wasn't impressed. So I hadn't researched them at all. Just out of curiosity I had the salesman switch on the F100s. My first reaction was "someone get me a comfy chair, I'm staying here".
As usual they had the music louder than I normally do, but this time I didn't mind it. At the higher volume it wasn't annoying or uncomfortable like some of the other speakers. I kept looking back at his control screen to see which center channel he had switched on, and there wasn't one.

That is a very basic selection.

Unfortunately, that is all that some of us have access to now.

 

[ta240]

I have had excellent luck on USAudioMart, EBay, Craigslist, and several audio related forums. As with any personal sales transaction you just need to be wary. I have never had a transaction go sideways.

I largely gave up on ebay after having a buyer submit a claim that they wanted to return an item because they claimed I had made a statement about the product that wasn't in the listing. I complained to ebay that what he claimed wasn't in the listing and that they could see that there were no messages from or to him prior to the sale. Ebay reps all said "Too bad, send him a label to return it for a refund". The shipping each way was around $120.

 

[MarcT]

It is funny, I had a similar experience this weekend. We went to a different BestBuy to listen to the Kef R5 Metas again (didn't have a great experience at the last store). At the other store they only had lower models in the Martin Logan line and I wasn't impressed. So I hadn't researched them at all. Just out of curiosity I had the salesman switch on the F100s. My first reaction was "someone get me a comfy chair, I'm staying here".
As usual they had the music louder than I normally do, but this time I didn't mind it. At the higher volume it wasn't annoying or uncomfortable like some of the other speakers. I kept looking back at his control screen to see which center channel he had switched on, and there wasn't one.


Unfortunately, that is all that some of us have access to now.

Yeah, I heard the F100's at an independent audio store in Dallas and they were playing 'Neph' by Trombone Shorty at an insane volume. Wow, the baritone sax on the right channel was incredible, like it was physically blasting in the room. But it also seemed clear and undistorted. With my setup and two different sets of towers, that sax is just sort of lost in the mix and I can barely hear it. Not sure whether or not they used any tricks to get that sound.

I've been considering just getting a set of their Motion Foundation towers, but have not heard them, so thanks for your impression of their lower end models.

 

[ZolaIII]

Yeah, I heard the F100's at an independent audio store in Dallas and they were playing 'Neph' by Trombone Shorty at an insane volume. Wow, the baritone sax on the right channel was incredible, like it was physically blasting in the room. But it also seemed clear and undistorted. With my setup and two different sets of towers, that sax is just sort of lost in the mix and I can barely hear it. Not sure whether or not they used any tricks to get that sound.

I've been considering just getting a set of their Motion Foundation towers, but have not heard them, so thanks for your impression of their lower end models.

Slowly rising highs to +5 dB, on long run that's simply too much.

 

[MarcT]

Slowly rising highs to +5 dB, on long run that's simply too much.

Lol, maybe, but it just didn't sound irritating to me. And my family room is pretty dead. Plus, I can't hear much above 9500 kHz these days, anyway!

 

[ZolaIII]

Lol, maybe, but it just didn't sound irritating to me. And my family room is pretty dead. Plus, I can't hear much above 9500 kHz these days, anyway!

There are other ways to get there better. The key is focus in highs. From cardioid response from speakers to acusstic treatment and improving it when it's already good with reverse convolution impuls filtering. I don't mind if you put it to slope up a bit but not +5 dB from what should be natural response in room. There are speakers with cardioid response from 100 Hz and even lower for the price tho they are usually studio monitors and based on 5.5" midrange woofer and that won't get you paticularly high SPL output (not even if crossed higher) nor be able to handle main bass peeps all that well. Even original NS10's are not bright (more so because boosted mids) compared to this.

 

[MarcT]

There are other ways to get there better. The key is focus in highs. From cardioid response from speakers to acusstic treatment and improving it when it's already good with reverse convolution impuls filtering. I don't mind if you put it to slope up a bit but not +5 dB from what should be natural response in room. There are speakers with cardioid response from 100 Hz and even lower for the price tho they are usually studio monitors and based on 5.5" midrange woofer and that won't get you paticularly high SPL output (not even if crossed higher) nor be able to handle main bass peeps all that well. Even original NS10's are not bright (more so because boosted mids) compared to this.

Again, this is our family room and no treatments will be allowed. And I have no idea what most of what you wrote even means! I need speaker options that are good for "place and play", and at a reasonable price. From reading here on ASR, my current thought is that some KEF model may be the best option.

 

[ZolaIII]

Again, this is our family room and no treatments will be allowed. And I have no idea what most of what you wrote even means! I need speaker options that are good for "place and play", and at a reasonable price. From reading here on ASR, my current thought is that some KEF model may be the best option.

I can't help you there buddy. Or maybe I can but it's gonna cost you much more.

Genelec W371A + The Ones : My quest for the Grail is over

Good evening everyone After many listenings for 2 years, B&W, Paradigm, Tad, Revel, Focal ... my quest for the musical Grail is finally over. I had the great pleasure of being able to attend yesterday the first (a first 8351B W371A duo has already been installed in France in September 2020 by...

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Please try to educate your self a bit.
I am starting to think Martin whose right regarding second hand but it will be a cold day in hell before you could catch those like that.

 

[MarcT]

I can't help you there buddy. Or maybe I can but it's gonna cost you much more.

Genelec W371A + The Ones : My quest for the Grail is over

Good evening everyone After many listenings for 2 years, B&W, Paradigm, Tad, Revel, Focal ... my quest for the musical Grail is finally over. I had the great pleasure of being able to attend yesterday the first (a first 8351B W371A duo has already been installed in France in September 2020 by...

www.audiosciencereview.com

Please try to educate your self a bit.
I am starting to think Martin whose right regarding second hand but it will be a cold day in hell before you could catch those like that.

Thanks, but I can't put that in my family room. Sheesh.

 

[GXAlan]

I can't help you there buddy. Or maybe I can but it's gonna cost you much more.

+1

Most people, once they have gone to active speakers stay with active speakers as long as they are from a company that provides appropriate long-term support and repairability.

You don’t need the studio grade subwoofers for home use in my opinion. The added cost and performance trade offs over consumer subs is often not really worth it, in contrast to the main speakers.

For the main speakers, you are using worse DACs/ADCs and amps, but it’s really not audible but the improvements and synergy in frequency response and phase are clearly improvements over most passive designs. For subs, studio subs have lower distortion and better phase, but most consumers want high SPLs at low frequencies for explosions and special fx…

Biggest problem is how they look. At least Meyer Sound X20 is a slim black box, but the X20 really needs a good subwoofer...

 

[Ropeburn]

Is it just me, or does the whole premise sound like "I got 10k moneys to waste and want good speakers"?

If I'm correct (and please tell me otherwise if I don't), then the whole approach is incorrect.

Much better to look at what you want to achieve in terms of sound, then look at speaker options that fit to your room, then (lastly) look whether it fits into the budget. The latter - being 10k moneys - really is of no concern.

Look at what you want your system to do, then test listen to various options, ideally test and listen at home (not always possible, although delivery and return policies make it easy), and only then decide. Maybe even invest in some room measurement gear. Its price is negligible in this context relative to the potential gain.

Let me be frank, with no insult intended: the whole topic premise really looks like luxury problem and a case of "I have big moneys to spend but no idea".

 

[AnonymousAudio]

It is funny, I had a similar experience this weekend. We went to a different BestBuy to listen to the Kef R5 Metas again (didn't have a great experience at the last store). At the other store they only had lower models in the Martin Logan line and I wasn't impressed. So I hadn't researched them at all. Just out of curiosity I had the salesman switch on the F100s. My first reaction was "someone get me a comfy chair, I'm staying here".
As usual they had the music louder than I normally do, but this time I didn't mind it. At the higher volume it wasn't annoying or uncomfortable like some of the other speakers. I kept looking back at his control screen to see which center channel he had switched on, and there wasn't one.


Unfortunately, that is all that some of us have access to now.

That is funny...i was very impressed with them. And if their better than the KEF R11 & B&W 702 from my listening experience and opinion. Then i dont get why anyone would throw shade at the ML F100. Thou I still plan on getting the F200 which lowers the response to 27hz (+/-3dB) now thats amazing for just $5500 to find a Tower that can basically play full range. The R11 which i also liked goes to 45hz by comparison. The biggest deciding factor for me was the C100 center cause im rebuilding my home theater. That dialog just sounded on point and the KEF R2C Center sounded hollow. The clip i saw w Tom Cruise was a dead give away cause we all know how Tom is suppose to sound.

 

[Ropeburn]

That is funny...i was very impressed with them. And if their better than the KEF R11 & B&W 702 from my listening experience and opinion. Then i dont get why anyone would throw shade at the ML F100. Thou I still plan on getting the F200 which lowers the response to 27hz (+/-3dB) now thats amazing for just $5500 to find a Tower that can basically play full range. The R11 which i also liked goes to 45hz by comparison. The biggest deciding factor for me was the C100 center cause im rebuilding my home theater. That dialog just sounded on point and the KEF R2C Center sounded hollow. The clip i saw w Tom Cruise was a dead give away cause we all know how Tom is suppose to sound.

That's the thing - I can probably find you 2nd hand options for those 27 Hz at -3dB in a 50km radius around here, for 1000 or less.

 

[ta240]

That's the thing - I can probably find you 2nd hand options for those 27 Hz at -3dB in a 50km radius around here, for 1000 or less.

Germany is a long ways to go to pick them up though Around here all I see are beat up looking speakers that likely smell like pot and that people think are 'like new'.

 

[AnonymousAudio]

That's the thing - I can probably find you 2nd hand options for those 27 Hz at -3dB in a 50km radius around here, for 1000 or less.

Share a link...or give me the Brand and model. If they meet the criteria im looking for id consider them. I hope they have a good matching Center as well and come in Piano Black (wifes only ask so that it matches)