How would you spend $10k on an LCR?

[AnonymousAudio]

Quick question for ppl...which in-room corrections are out there? Ive only had experience with AccuEQ & Audessey but that was 2014 edition. And which are considered to be the best ones?? thnx

 

[MarcT]

Thnx for the comment. Yea i really enjoyed that C100 center and am very happy with that choice for the next decades ill own these hopefully.

As for the F200 Tweeters being too high for your listening posistion...i also considered that. I sit about 12ft away from my Front speakers.

But one thing i noted were the F.A.S.T outrigger feet. Which are designed with a knob so that you can adjust your speaker / Tweeter vertically to lineup exactly with your ears. I dunno how far up or down that allows, but i imagine they designed them to fix exactly what your issue is. At least thats my understanding and another Plus for me. Cause like many of you, i love to dial in Audio.View attachment 425622View attachment 425623

Yes, those are among the best adjustable feet I've seen, as you don't have to reach under the speaker to rotate a spike or use some sort of tool from the top.

 

[ZolaIII]

@AnonymousAudio that if corect is more than fine regarding hearing. You don't perceive the bass linear and that's the hole point of equal loudness compensation in the first place. For our brain it's all just horrible fatigue noise (defence mechanisms) which he tries to block and adopts doing so in lows at least. When you are blocked from it by either not being exposed or in this case physically you get hyper sensitive when exposed suddenly. As primary language function (vocal range) are easier for him to follow and our hearing sensitivity is biggest there with little processing and naturally adopted and self tuned. Because there is a difference in what it is and male vocals start where bass ends while female starts a lot higher males are better adopted to cope with bass. Boosting the bass helps perceiving it equally loud with rest of the spectrum when you listen on lower dB programe (up to normal speach levels and in moderate noisy environment) and that's for what sub's are most useful.
I can make you a budget proposition for 2.5~3.5 K with DSP that would fit in your interior right now and you would be surprised what it can do not even needing central speaker (in movies you use compression curve to get vocals back to sensitive levels).

 

[AnonymousAudio]

@AnonymousAudio that if corect is more than fine regarding hearing. You don't perceive the bass linear and that's the hole point of equal loudness compensation in the first place. For our brain it's all just horrible fatigue noise (defence mechanisms) which he tries to block and adopts doing so in lows at least. When you are blocked from it by either not being exposed or in this case physically you get hyper sensitive when exposed suddenly. As primary language function (vocal range) are easier for him to follow and our hearing sensitivity is biggest there with little processing and naturally adopted and self tuned. Because there is a difference in what it is and male vocals start where bass ends while female starts a lot higher males are better adopted to cope with bass. Boosting the bass helps perceiving it equally loud with rest of the spectrum when you listen on lower dB programe (up to normal speach levels and in moderate noisy environment) and that's for what sub's are most useful.
I can make you a budget proposition for 2.5~3.5 K with DSP that would fit in your interior right now and you would be surprised what it can do not even needing central speaker (in movies you use compression curve to get vocals back to sensitive levels).

Pls educate me on DSPs...what products you recommend. As im very outdated apparently on my tuning knowledge since 2014 tech of my current Onkyo TX-NR1030 receiver.

Im your student...pls layout what would be best while keeping the price somewhat in check as im already at the top of my budget but can prob boost my budget a bit. You mentioned a $2.5k option thnx

 

[ZolaIII]

Pls educate me on DSPs...what products you recommend. As im very outdated apparently on my tuning knowledge since 2014 tech of my current Onkyo TX-NR1030 receiver.

Im your student...pls layout what would be best while keeping the price somewhat in check as im already at the top of my budget but can prob boost my budget a bit. thnx

As much as I know Audessey has the volume compensation and there whose an app for it with which you could do semi costume curves but can't remember what whose the app called. This is the most problematic part the equal loudness compensation as it become rare today while it whose standard 20 years ago. So if you could find previous generation of Denon AVR's with (Important!) AKM DAC and latest Audessey it would be fine in not or very little used state and for bargaining price. They switched to Dirac in last (now even two) generations and ESS DAC's which played out to be considerably worse regarding audio quality (at the time they didn't had a choice as AKM fab went in smokes). Dirac is among the best automatic room corrections but it's licensing model can only be characterised as shameful. I am a cheap guy and do it by hand which ultimately makes you do more and better but with lots of; works, practice, learning and patience and you get a much better understanding of things in the process. So it's not suitable for anyone. My idea whose cheap man towers built purposely to satisfy and for the purpose something like MiniDSP Flex or Flex HT to have 4 chenels more if you ever get a crazy idea to expand it further more and HDMI (PCM stereo only) input once set up very easy to use and has Dirac Live as option tho it doesn't have equal loudness compensation. I use PC for the freedom to do what I want and most of the production does but it brings complexity of upkeeping it. For the purpose and with 6 chenels output on acceptable performance and silent you can get there for cheap, if you want it can replace and AVR regarding video processing but that won't be silent nor cheap as it needs deacent GPU. Now I am getting too far. It's not all about money, it's more about effort and you don't need much or it's very complex to start.
Mesurement microphone and a PC is all you need to get started right now and recommendation is UMIK-1 for calibration integration with REW (to be used as dB meter so you don't need external one). And then you play with REW understanding how to set presentation, use PEQ filters and room simulator (for placement optimisations) and have fun with it. When you catch basics it's enough to get the job done and if you bite in hard enough the journey is just about to start.

 

[AnonymousAudio]

As much as I know Audessey has the volume compensation and there whose an app for it with which you could do semi costume curves but can't remember what whose the app called. This is the most problematic part the equal loudness compensation as it become rare today while it whose standard 20 years ago. So if you could find previous generation of Denon AVR's with (Important!) AKM DAC and latest Audessey it would be fine in not or very little used state and for bargaining price. They switched to Dirac in last (now even two) generations and ESS DAC's which played out to be considerably worse regarding audio quality (at the time they didn't had a choice as AKM fab went in smokes). Dirac is among the best automatic room corrections but it's licensing model can only be characterised as shameful. I am a cheap guy and do it by hand which ultimately makes you do more and better but with lots of; works, practice, learning and patience and you get a much better understanding of things in the process. So it's not suitable for anyone. My idea whose cheap man towers built purposely to satisfy and for the purpose something like MiniDSP Flex or Flex HT to have 4 chenels more if you ever get a crazy idea to expand it further more and HDMI (PCM stereo only) input once set up very easy to use and has Dirac Live as option tho it doesn't have equal loudness compensation. I use PC for the freedom to do what I want and most of the production does but it brings complexity of upkeeping it. For the purpose and with 6 chenels output on acceptable performance and silent you can get there for cheap, if you want it can replace and AVR regarding video processing but that won't be silent nor cheap as it needs deacent GPU. Now I am getting too far. It's not all about money, it's more about effort and you don't need much or it's very complex to start.
Mesurement microphone and a PC is all you need to get started right now and recommendation is UMIK-1 for calibration integration with REW (to be used as dB meter so you don't need external one). And then you play with REW understanding how to set presentation, use PEQ filters and room simulator (for placement optimizations) and have fun with it. When you catch basics it's enough to get the job done and if you bite in hard enough the journey is just about to start.

Ok so if im understanding you correctly. Get Dirac (Live) as the simple solution. Or do it all manually basically. I have a decent understanding in General & Amature knowledge of Acoustics, including room gains, reflections, etc.... However i'd prefer an auto calibration process that I can then see a graph hopefully of my in-room response which I can then use to make level adjustments at different frequencies. Because right now on my Onkyo it's just do a calibration and then my only adjustments are a 3band equalizer Bass/mid/treb. So would Dirac be able to accomplish what im seeking more or less??

 

[GXAlan]

Some ppl keep mentioning my current Paradigms as if they’re still an option. I know they have the Specs, thats why I bought them to begin with. But they’re falling apart.

Got it. Like I mentioned, I am sure how it looks like your enthusiasm for these Martin Logan’s comes of the blue like a paid influencer might do it - but this is a lot of context. Makes much more sense why you're seemingly hyperfocused on the speakers...

ASR tends to have the group-think of "you should have a neutral speaker" but the success of B&W and even these Martin Logan suggest that there are those who like to deviate a bit.

Im not doing anything on impulse as im buying this summer in a few months. I heard the B&W / KEF / Martin Logans that were in my price range. I think the KEFs & MLs were very close...but the Center channel was the biggest deciding factor. As the KEF literally felt hollow to my ears while watching a scene with Tom Cruise in Oblivion i believe it was. And we all know how Tom is suppose to sound. The other factor as i mentioned was the anti-lobbing brought up during the audition. When i went side-to-side it sounded good to my ears off-axis.

The wildcard is that you know how Tom is supposed to sound. How the heck is a lightsaber supposed to sound? That led me down the path of getting Meyer Sound. We know that the JBL's that @Andysu talks about is how the fast majority of movies in the 80's, 90's, 00's, and probably 10's are intended. Meyer Sound has taken over JBL's position as the cinema standard in the '10 to '20s, probably due to the loss of some of the top JBL engineering and manufacturing. Meyer Sound is what Skywalker Sound uses exclusively, and it's not all action flicks

Projects

www.skysound.com

not to mention that in 2020, the Directors Guild of America changed their reference theater from JBL Professional over to Meyer Sound.

DGA Theater

The Directors Guild of America recently completed a total renovation of its flagship motion picture exhibition space at the prestigious DGA Theater in Los Angeles. Guided by a Guild committee of six leading filmmakers, the renewal project has moved the 600-seat theater to the forefront of cinema...

meyersound.com

As per the Sub question the only must from the wife is to make sure it comes in Piano Black so that it matches the Martin Logans.

So going back to your question. The PowerSoundAudio's just have satin or matte black, so it's not a good choice for you. SVS is fine for what you're looking at.

What you should do is to buy the Onkyo TX-RZ70 or RZ50 from a place with an in-home trial. Amazon has an open box one for $1800 which is a great deal but if you plan to get your speakers from Best Buy anyway, they have the RZ70 for $2300 and a reasonable return policy for you to try. The Onkyo's ship with Dirac Live included whereas the Denon's require you to buy afterwards.

That said, take a look at Denon's manual

Measuring with Dirac Live software Dirac Live

manuals.denon.com

Dirac will show your measurements. You can choose all sorts of curves, but you'll likely go +8 to 10 dB on the bass for your preference. Usually the Harman curve is downsloping, but given your preference for the Martin Logan's, you may like the high frequencies to be flat at the listening position.

The argument is that having JUST listened to the KEF and Martin Logan, you SHOULD find that the Studio 60's, if there weren't broken, will sound just as good as what you heard at BestBuy once you tweaked the DSP. That's because your on and off axis on the Paradigm should be pretty respectable.

If you know that, then you can pick speakers that are neutral and modify them as opposed to the Martin Logans and tame them down *if* there are cheaper or more attractive speakers. Even if you go with the Martin Logans, you'll for sure want Dirac.

The only thing better than Dirac is Trinnov, but if your Studio 60's are falling apart, then I would retract my recommendations. Audyssey XT32 is better than the Audyssey in your current version, but based upon what you've said, I think you'll really enjoy the full range correction and fine tuning capable with Dirac.

The only thing that's more authentic in terms of what stuff should sound like are the Meyer Sound Amie's which super pricey (again, you can get discounts if you ask) but is exactly the speakers used at places like Skywalker Sound. They're just 6.5" 2-way bookshelves which may or may not work better for your desired application. White paper here

I don't know if the Onkyo includes a Dirac mic or if you need to buy a calibration one. You can get a UMIK-1 but the cheaper Bluesound dirac calibration kit is probably decent for an initial assessment.

 

[ZolaIII]

Ok so if im understanding you correctly. Get Dirac (Live) as the simple solution. Or do it all manually basically. I have a decent understanding in General & Amature knowledge of Acoustics, including room gains, reflections, etc.... However i'd prefer an auto calibration process that I can then see a graph hopefully of my in-room response which I can then use to make level adjustments at different frequencies. Because right now on my Onkyo it's just do a calibration and then my only adjustments are a 3band equalizer Bass/mid/treb. So would Dirac be able to accomplish what im seeking more or less??

Yes and no. Find the app and Audiseey get those abilities and it's not bad by any means and you get to keep equal loudness normalisation. That's cuple of $ improvement if app will work with your AVR.
Edit: that won't work the app suports only Denon/Marantz ones with it.

Audyssey MultEQ Editor app - Apps on Google Play

Audyssey MultEQ Editor app for Denon Marantz AV Receiver products

play.google.com

Problem with AVR's is that some futures as two independent chenel sub outputs you will get only with top end line and that certainly ain't wort money. Problem with Dirac is price. It costs near 1K $ for full extended multiple subs licence and you still need mentioned AVR's that suport it.
I had in mind more pragmatic approach of using DSP to do crossovers very detail and precise mains and pair of sub's turning them up together as towers and just using it like that. On the cheap it would be Wharfedale Linton's a top of 12" close enclosure sub's old good SVS SB-1000 will do and MiniDSP Flex. You can bold it up with different or better sub's and Super Linton's if you wish. After set up you plug it in AVR analog and use as before (as pair of ordinary speakers and letting him do the room correction). Those both (speakers) do 105 dB stereo without almost any compression and have very good FR response.
Tell you what head to Erin's (corner) Youtube chenel and take a look of those and some other which tested very good.

 

[AudioJester]

Locally if you buy LCR and add an AVR to the purchase- you can get some crazy good deals. A $1-2k receiver with Audyssey and Dirac (Denon) will make an amazing difference.

If you are moving states, have the sub shipped with your furniture. Are you going to achieve much replacing your wotking sub? Particularly if you get an avr with proper bass management and loudness compensation etc.

 

[pablolie]

I would say that, given the equipment the OP already has, a more hearable improvement would be achieved by applying some basic Dirac positioning optimization rather than throwing more loudspeaker $$ into the exact same configuration.

 

[ZolaIII]

Locally if you buy LCR and add an AVR to the purchase- you can get some crazy good deals. A $1-2k receiver with Audyssey and Dirac (Denon) will make an amazing difference.

If you are moving states, have the sub shipped with your furniture. Are you going to achieve much replacing your wotking sub? Particularly if you get an avr with proper bass management and loudness compensation etc.

The bass knew (105 Hz) for ISO 226 is a bit of a problem with only one sub as crossover neads to be above it and keep it from transferring upwards (all up to 1 KHz) and above 80 Hz waves become noticeable directive. Sub he has is a monster (like similar SVS 3000 Pro with 2x woofers).
Edit: don't know in what shape it is, the mains are in bad and he plans this for moving back home.

 

[AnonymousAudio]

Got it. Like I mentioned, I am sure how it looks like your enthusiasm for these Martin Logan’s comes of the blue like a paid influencer might do it - but this is a lot of context. Makes much more sense why you're seemingly hyperfocused on the speakers...

ASR tends to have the group-think of "you should have a neutral speaker" but the success of B&W and even these Martin Logan suggest that there are those who like to deviate a bit.



The wildcard is that you know how Tom is supposed to sound. How the heck is a lightsaber supposed to sound? That led me down the path of getting Meyer Sound. We know that the JBL's that @Andysu talks about is how the fast majority of movies in the 80's, 90's, 00's, and probably 10's are intended. Meyer Sound has taken over JBL's position as the cinema standard in the '10 to '20s, probably due to the loss of some of the top JBL engineering and manufacturing. Meyer Sound is what Skywalker Sound uses exclusively, and it's not all action flicks

Projects

www.skysound.com

not to mention that in 2020, the Directors Guild of America changed their reference theater from JBL Professional over to Meyer Sound.

DGA Theater

The Directors Guild of America recently completed a total renovation of its flagship motion picture exhibition space at the prestigious DGA Theater in Los Angeles. Guided by a Guild committee of six leading filmmakers, the renewal project has moved the 600-seat theater to the forefront of cinema...

meyersound.com

So going back to your question. The PowerSoundAudio's just have satin or matte black, so it's not a good choice for you. SVS is fine for what you're looking at.

What you should do is to buy the Onkyo TX-RZ70 or RZ50 from a place with an in-home trial. Amazon has an open box one for $1800 which is a great deal but if you plan to get your speakers from Best Buy anyway, they have the RZ70 for $2300 and a reasonable return policy for you to try. The Onkyo's ship with Dirac Live included whereas the Denon's require you to buy afterwards.

That said, take a look at Denon's manual

Measuring with Dirac Live software Dirac Live

manuals.denon.com

Dirac will show your measurements. You can choose all sorts of curves, but you'll likely go +8 to 10 dB on the bass for your preference. Usually the Harman curve is downsloping, but given your preference for the Martin Logan's, you may like the high frequencies to be flat at the listening position.
View attachment 425654

The argument is that having JUST listened to the KEF and Martin Logan, you SHOULD find that the Studio 60's, if there weren't broken, will sound just as good as what you heard at BestBuy once you tweaked the DSP. That's because your on and off axis on the Paradigm should be pretty respectable.

If you know that, then you can pick speakers that are neutral and modify them as opposed to the Martin Logans and tame them down *if* there are cheaper or more attractive speakers. Even if you go with the Martin Logans, you'll for sure want Dirac.

The only thing better than Dirac is Trinnov, but if your Studio 60's are falling apart, then I would retract my recommendations. Audyssey XT32 is better than the Audyssey in your current version, but based upon what you've said, I think you'll really enjoy the full range correction and fine tuning capable with Dirac.

The only thing that's more authentic in terms of what stuff should sound like are the Meyer Sound Amie's which super pricey (again, you can get discounts if you ask) but is exactly the speakers used at places like Skywalker Sound. They're just 6.5" 2-way bookshelves which may or may not work better for your desired application. White paper here

I don't know if the Onkyo includes a Dirac mic or if you need to buy a calibration one. You can get a UMIK-1 but the cheaper Bluesound dirac calibration kit is probably decent for an initial assessment.

Wow thnx im gonna have to reread this lol. As for my enthusiasim i just am real with how i feel. Speakers with the right song can give you amazing feelings. The Greatest Showman for example is one of my favorites.

 

[AnonymousAudio]

The bass knew (105 Hz) for ISO 226 is a bit of a problem with only one sub as crossover neads to be above it and keep it from transferring upwards (all up to 1 KHz) and above 80 Hz waves become noticeable directive. Sub he has is a monster (like similar SVS 3000 Pro with 2x woofers).
Edit: don't know in what shape it is, the mains are in bad and he plans this for moving back home.

After doing some research from Anthem, Sony , Marantz, Pioneer, Denon, Yamaha & Integra. I narrowed it down with the features I need.

Im running a 7.2.4 setup and already have an Emotiva XPA-3 Amp for my L.C.R so basically I just need a decent sound processor with Dirac Live...and at the best price.

I found the Onkyo RZ50 and on sale for $1k. It has everything I need and ive owned prob 8-Onkyos in the past and have always liked their products and bang for buck. So thnx to whomever 1st mentioned upgrading my receiver for Dirac Live!

I understand its not top tier but its also half the price and has a familiar sound ive grown acustomed too.

 

[GXAlan]

Wow thnx im gonn have to reread this lol. As for my enthusiasim i just am real with how i feel. Speakers with the right song can give you amazing feelings. The Greatest Showman for example is one of my favorites.

..and if you have ever enjoyed a Cirque du Soleil or Broadway show, that was most likely running on Meyer Sound.

The other speakers to consider would be the JBL HDI line which is a bargain at frequent 50% off pricing.

The JBL 708p is also popular studio choice but it’s a very industrial look compared to the HDI.

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I found the Onkyo RZ50 and on sale for $1k.

https://www.adorama.com/onktxrz50.html?gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADxgUswb6rCVlvsH9nLKCNqyXPj82&gclid=CjwKCAiAzPy8BhBoEiwAbnM9O1b_txpN2poYbrQ_lMdjWtR13taYZeRPxl1z8UDiXBo142htq0m4rxoCCm8QAvD_BwE&utm_source=inc-google-shop-p

Even cheaper here. That said, some people think the RZ70 is a worthwhile upgrade for multiple subwoofer support and beefier amplification for your other channels.

 

[AnonymousAudio]

..and if you have ever enjoyed a Cirque du Soleil or Broadway show, that was most likely running on Meyer Sound.

The other speakers to consider would be the JBL HDI line which is a bargain at frequent 50% off pricing.

The JBL 708p is also popular studio choice but it’s a very industrial look compared to the HDI.

Joseph Trapanese Crafts The Witcher 2 Score Using JBL Studio Monitors

Composer Joseph Trapanese recently upgraded his studio with JBL monitors to create a Dolby Atmos-capable 7.1.4 speaker system for The Witcher (season 2)

headlinerhub.com

Mixing the World’s Biggest Artists with JBL 7 Studio Monitors

Whether it’s crafting a chart-topping single, multi-tracking a live performance or mixing a stadium concert, today’s top producers and audio engineers are recording in a wide range of environments. From legacy studios to home studios to mobile recording rigs, audio professionals need studio...

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Disc To Disc Productions Opens the First Dolby Atmos Mixing Studio in Milan with JBL Professional 7 Series Master Reference Monitors

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https://www.adorama.com/onktxrz50.html?gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADxgUswb6rCVlvsH9nLKCNqyXPj82&gclid=CjwKCAiAzPy8BhBoEiwAbnM9O1b_txpN2poYbrQ_lMdjWtR13taYZeRPxl1z8UDiXBo142htq0m4rxoCCm8QAvD_BwE&utm_source=inc-google-shop-p

Even cheaper here. That said, some people think the RZ70 is a worthwhile upgrade for multiple subwoofer support and beefier amplification for your other channels.

Going from my current Onkyo TX-NR1030 i gain:
+Dirac Live
+HDMI2.1
+eARC
+8K support
+HDR10+ & Dolby Vision
+VRR
+ALLM
- 120W (RZ50) vs 135W (NR1030)

All in all i think ill be happy...thnx for the link ill check it out.

 

[AnonymousAudio]

..and if you have ever enjoyed a Cirque du Soleil or Broadway show, that was most likely running on Meyer Sound.

The other speakers to consider would be the JBL HDI line which is a bargain at frequent 50% off pricing.

The JBL 708p is also popular studio choice but it’s a very industrial look compared to the HDI.

Joseph Trapanese Crafts The Witcher 2 Score Using JBL Studio Monitors

Composer Joseph Trapanese recently upgraded his studio with JBL monitors to create a Dolby Atmos-capable 7.1.4 speaker system for The Witcher (season 2)

headlinerhub.com

Mixing the World’s Biggest Artists with JBL 7 Studio Monitors

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https://www.adorama.com/onktxrz50.html?gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADxgUswb6rCVlvsH9nLKCNqyXPj82&gclid=CjwKCAiAzPy8BhBoEiwAbnM9O1b_txpN2poYbrQ_lMdjWtR13taYZeRPxl1z8UDiXBo142htq0m4rxoCCm8QAvD_BwE&utm_source=inc-google-shop-p

Even cheaper here. That said, some people think the RZ70 is a worthwhile upgrade for multiple subwoofer support and beefier amplification for your other channels.

WOW what a price!!! $849 i've never heard of that website.....Bookmarked!

 

[AnonymousAudio]

..and if you have ever enjoyed a Cirque du Soleil or Broadway show, that was most likely running on Meyer Sound.

The other speakers to consider would be the JBL HDI line which is a bargain at frequent 50% off pricing.

The JBL 708p is also popular studio choice but it’s a very industrial look compared to the HDI.

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headlinerhub.com

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https://www.adorama.com/onktxrz50.html?gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADxgUswb6rCVlvsH9nLKCNqyXPj82&gclid=CjwKCAiAzPy8BhBoEiwAbnM9O1b_txpN2poYbrQ_lMdjWtR13taYZeRPxl1z8UDiXBo142htq0m4rxoCCm8QAvD_BwE&utm_source=inc-google-shop-p

Even cheaper here. That said, some people think the RZ70 is a worthwhile upgrade for multiple subwoofer support and beefier amplification for your other channels.

I agree the RZ70 is slightly better and has more power...however its 2X the price and you wont hear 20 extra watts...so im content.

 

[GXAlan]

WOW what a price!!! $849 i've never heard of that website.....Bookmarked!

Adorama is one of the big 2 of camera dealers in the U.S. Reputable authorized dealer. They have deals coming and going so it’s not consistent.

Authorized Online Resellers | Onkyo

View Onkyo's list of Authorized Online Resellers in the United States here. Learn more!

onkyo.com

The Onkyo website can be a bit glitchy on a phone but you can see Adorama there.

 

[GXAlan]

And if you can deal with NON high gloss black, the HDI-3600 has been measured here and is a JBL Synthesis product that should deliver sound closer to the cinema experience than the Martin Logan’s.

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-4oI487J4sIs/p_109HDI36G/JBL-HDI-3600-Satin-Gray-Oak.html?XVINQ=GZ0&XVVer=1C57&awcr=628109897884&awdv=m&awnw=g&awug=9061256&awkw=pla-1245769580834&awmt=&awat=pla&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAzPy8BhBoEiwAbnM9O2mXveF0DGvjHLgiz5JQqHnkQlsfkV5Qpqhx-x_y66wIFDH89O6IwRoCVtgQAvD_BwE

 

[AnonymousAudio]

And if you can deal with NON high gloss black, the HDI-3600 has been measured here and is a JBL Synthesis product that should deliver sound closer to the cinema experience than the Martin Logan’s.

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-4oI487J4sIs/p_109HDI36G/JBL-HDI-3600-Satin-Gray-Oak.html?XVINQ=GZ0&XVVer=1C57&awcr=628109897884&awdv=m&awnw=g&awug=9061256&awkw=pla-1245769580834&awmt=&awat=pla&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAzPy8BhBoEiwAbnM9O2mXveF0DGvjHLgiz5JQqHnkQlsfkV5Qpqhx-x_y66wIFDH89O6IwRoCVtgQAvD_BwE

I can deal w the finish, but its a non starter for my wife. Has to be piano black so everything matches. Including my Definitive Technology 9080 Surrounds.