Of course they do. You are mistaking what people imagine they hear with whats actually there.
Yeah the Denon has beaten other avr , on the bench.
However more.to it with gear synergy, ie Denon doesn't match with b&w speakers, bit a arcam avr does, even though the arcam avr failed badly on the bench.
I would know one tested better but not if it worked well with my speakers.
Why on earth would you think I said that? There are lots of poorly designed amps with high distortion and poor frequency response. Some amps cannot adequately drive a very low impedance load, or just don't have enough power.So you're saying all amps sound the same?
I think it’s important to point out that for decades now we’ve had a set of measurements for both audio electronics and speakers that we know correlate well to good sound. Products that don’t perform well on these measurements typically don’t sound good in practice. Those that measure well typically do. The old audiophile excuse that 2-ch integrates sound better than AVR’s just don’t hold water anymore. I see it as just repeating what you’ve heard for years and years from audiophiles. It’s fantasyland.Measurements doesn't show if it sounds good or bad, just how it performs ie power output etc. and the other person bought a 3600
Typically avr are poor relative to stereo integrateds.
So you basing your information on some other audiophiles experience with the 3600?No sorry I disagree with that. It's one thing to use two tests on Denon and Yamaha as a guide, to show one has more power, bit I would not base that solely, I'd still.want to try both out. I would know one tested better but not if it worked well with my speakers.
Like I said that Denon 3600 owner not impressed.with hifi sound from it so looking at stereo interegrated.
So you basing your information on some other audiophiles experience with the 3600?
Thanks Bear123. I listen generally at low volumes. Occasionally, I’ll listen up 85db on the SPL meter.I don't know of anyone that listens on a regular or even short term basis at or above reference level i.e MV of 0. If you get 1.5 volts from the pre-outs at reference level, I don't see anyone running into an issue with distortion rising on the pre-outs even without the amps disconnected. The loudest I usually will watch a movie is -10 and that is much louder than anyone in my family cares to watch. On music, by -5 MV, it is loud enough to cause hearing damage over prolonged periods. It's like club level loud. So again, if the only time the pre-outs would exceed 1.5 volts is above reference, its a complete non issue on both the 3600 AND the half price 3500 that also has excellent pre-out performance below 1.5 volts.
Having said that, if you want more clean power than the Denon can provide, and you want the assurance of the cleanest signal possible from the Denon(which I completely understand as a hobbyist), then pick up a Monoprice Monolith 3/5/7 channel amp. It achieves full power with 1.43 volts according to the Audioholics review. 200/300 watts and substantial burst capability, excellent measured performance, manufactured by ATI, good warranty. It's cheap enough that it would almost be foolish to not get the 3 channel since more power for the center channel is pretty important, but for a couple of steak dinners more you can get the 5 channel.
https://www.audioholics.com/amplifier-reviews/monoprice-monolith-7-channel-amplifier-review
Although currently out of stock at Monoprice, the 5 channel is listed at $1299. Thats a crazy good deal, and seems even cheaper than before.
Thanks Bear123. I listen generally at low volumes. Occasionally, I’ll listen up 85db on the SPL meter.
1.5v is normally 80(or 0db in the other mode) on the volume setting according to the X3500H review.