how to hook up a genelec dsp speaker 8341a

[derekchan]

hi
i would like to replace my av receover speaker with genelce dsp speaker but i don't know what equipment need to pick up.

if shield pro tv box output LPCM 7.1 audio via usb connection to usb aes adapter (minidsp ) then to 8341a
how could i adjust sound volume ? could i use remote control of tv box to adjust volume?
someone said you can control volume by pressing rear panel of the speaker, is that true?
I know that glm software volume control is for sound calibrate only.

how could i adjust sound management like av receiver function like sound delay,bass management on genelec dsp series speaker?
if i add a extra genelec subwoofer later?

 

[staticV3]

Hi @derekchan! Welcome to ASR.

if shield pro tv box output LPCM 7.1 audio via usb connection to usb aes adapter (minidsp ) then to 8341a
how could i adjust sound volume ? could i use remote control of tv box to adjust volume?

That depends on whether the Shield Pro supports volume control when outputting to USB.

You can test this right now by plugging any USB DAC or USB headphone adapter into the Shield Pro.

If you can control the volume, then you'll also be able to control volume with the UDIO-8. If not, then you won't.

BTW, are you sure that the Shield Pro can output Surround Sound via USB? That may be limited to Stereo.

someone said you can control volume by pressing rear panel of the speaker, is that true?
I know that glm software volume control is for sound calibrate only.

A Nuprime H16-AES plugged into the TV's eARC port should give you volume control via both the TV remote and Nvidia remote, since it lists "HDMI-CEC support for seamless device control".

Connected to all your GLM speakers, you can then use either GLM for room correction and speaker calibration, the Nuprime's built-in DSP, or a combination of both.

If for whatever reason the Nuprime does not support volume control via CEC, then you could substitute that with either the Genelec 9320A or the GLM Network Adapter + 9101B/9310B.

Though in that case, you'd have to keep an Ethernet cable permanently plugged into each speaker, in addition to the power cable and XLR cable.

Personally, I'm rather fond of the idea of an Atmos system entirely comprised of Genelec Smart IP speakers: https://www.genelec.com/smart-ip

With the Nuprime H16-AIP as decoder, Genelec Smart IP Manager software for correction and calibration, and a UniFi PoE switch, a single Ethernet cable per speaker would carry power, audio, and calibration data.

 

[goofytwoshoes]

I have 8330A/7350A speakers and subs, and the GLM Kit. With GLM software open on the computer that the GLM box is connected to (by USB), you can always use the Volume slider on the computer monitor, works very well. I bought the Genelec wireless remote control, too, which allows volume up/down, power on/off, and mute and works really well too.

Genelec recommends that volume control be done after the DSP in speakers/subs takes place, which allows full-gain level of signal to the speaker inputs.

 

[derekchan]

I have 8330A/7350A speakers and subs, and the GLM Kit. With GLM software open on the computer that the GLM box is connected to (by USB), you can always use the Volume slider on the computer monitor, works very well. I bought the Genelec wireless remote control, too, which allows volume up/down, power on/off, and mute and works really well too.

Genelec recommends that volume control be done after the DSP in speakers/subs takes place, which allows full-gain level of signal to the speaker inputs.

Does volume slider mean windows device volume control located on right edge corner of windows 10? I usually set it to max when pc output audio via hdmi port to avr.

does glm box via usb connected to pc only work for windows pc? Do you connect speaker ,sub and glm box through rj45 cable together but without xlr aes cable between each dsp speaker?

 

[derekchan]

Hi @derekchan! Welcome to ASR.


That depends on whether the Shield Pro supports volume control when outputting to USB.

You can test this right now by plugging any USB DAC or USB headphone adapter into the Shield Pro.

If you can control the volume, then you'll also be able to control volume with the UDIO-8. If not, then you won't.

BTW, are you sure that the Shield Pro can output Surround Sound via USB? That may be limited to Stereo.



A Nuprime H16-AES plugged into the TV's eARC port should give you volume control via both the TV remote and Nvidia remote, since it lists "HDMI-CEC support for seamless device control".

Connected to all your GLM speakers, you can then use either GLM for room correction and speaker calibration, the Nuprime's built-in DSP, or a combination of both.

If for whatever reason the Nuprime does not support volume control via CEC, then you could substitute that with either the Genelec 9320A or the GLM Network Adapter + 9101B/9310B.

Though in that case, you'd have to keep an Ethernet cable permanently plugged into each speaker, in addition to the power cable and XLR cable.

Personally, I'm rather fond of the idea of an Atmos system entirely comprised of Genelec Smart IP speakers: https://www.genelec.com/smart-ip

With the Nuprime H16-AIP as decoder, Genelec Smart IP Manager software for correction and calibration, and a UniFi PoE switch, a single Ethernet cable per speaker would carry power, audio, and calibration data.

Thank you
I have confirm this tv box can output dts and lpcm sourround audio 7.1.
is there any usb to xlr aes adapter to connect two 8341a together?
It seems minidsp usb aes is the only option.

i think glm box method only work for windows pc but not android os device.

Can i ask few more question about av speaker?
If i only have a pair 2.0 as my av speaker, is there any difference for decodeing dts hd ma format between tv box hdmi output to av receiver,a tv box decode dts then output lpcm via usb.
I dont need any sound management just listen movie audio like listening cd discs.

Have you heard of mk sound cinema speaker s300?my daily speaker is jbl 4309 and i cant hear fully detail in day time with surrounding noise.
Does cinema speaker capable of anti noise feature without turn volume pretty loud?

Are movie theater speaker sealbox design to make movie dialogue sound vibrated bass?

 

[staticV3]

i think glm box method only work for windows pc but not android os device.

GLM box + 9101B/9310B works standalone. No PC needs to be connected.

From the 9101B manual:

If i only have a pair 2.0 as my av speaker, is there any difference for decodeing dts hd ma format between tv box hdmi output to av receiver,a tv box decode dts then output lpcm via usb.

If both the TV box and AV receiver use the same decoder, then no difference.

Have you heard of mk sound cinema speaker s300?my daily speaker is jbl 4309 and i cant hear fully detail in day time with surrounding noise.
Does cinema speaker capable of anti noise feature without turn volume pretty loud?

A cinema speaker with anti noise (noise cancellation) AFAIK does not exist.

Noise cancellation is a feature exclusive to in ears, headphones, and car stereo systems.

There's nothing like it for home theater audio.

 

[ckernel8]

There's nothing like it for home theater audio.

For now

 

[staticV3]

For now

Lack of control over the listening environment makes ANC for loudspeakers infeasible.

It's already a stretch for car audio.

 

[derekchan]

Lack of control over the listening environment makes ANC for loudspeakers infeasible.

It's already a stretch for car audio.

i can use nintendo switch with dsp speaker through usb connection.
if input digi signal processed by dsp, will there any sound delay like chromecast audio from smartphone to av receiver via wireless network.
i definitely can tell there is noticeble sound picture non sync according people lip sync movement.
i used to wifi stream audio to amplifier speaker for sound listening when watching yooutube video.
Does a standalone music streamer with dts fi dlna service could solve this non sync issue?
The issue is gone when i plugged in a 3..5mm jack headset to smartphone.

2.some folks said sealbox deisgn speaker sound like movie theater speaker. it seems genlenc dsp coxial speaker and jbl professional monitor speaker like 4312g,lk 100mkii are both bass reflex. Is there any jbl series are sealbox design with horn compression driver? what is the best sealbox cinema big size boxshelf speaker you could buy ?

3.have you heard of jbl control 29? i have no idea what is 100v line power with 8 ohms deisgn which written in the spec list.

 

[goofytwoshoes]

I have two pair of Genelec speakers - 8030C which is analog input, and DIP switches for setup, no digital. And the 8330A, with analog input (which immediately converts to digital inside the speakers), and digital input. When set up side by side, and linked to the same zone on Roon, there is a delay from the 8330A speakers, with both digital and analog inputs. When I switch on the fly from 8030C to 8330A, I hear the last two words of a song again, so it is not an inconsequential delay.

 

[Breeze98]

I switch on the fly from 8030C to 8330A

Any difference in perceived sound quality, out of interest?

 

[goofytwoshoes]

Any difference in perceived sound quality, out of interest?

My ears are 75 years old, and often experienced loud concerts and bar bands in the long ago, so I know I'm not the best at hearing differences. I enjoy both pairs of speakers immensely, and will probably keep both for two separate systems. The SAM system with one or two 7350A subs has it's advantages - I cross over to the subs at 120 Hz, because the speakers have a 15 dB notch at about 100 Hz.

 

[goofytwoshoes]

Does volume slider mean windows device volume control located on right edge corner of windows 10? I usually set it to max when pc output audio via hdmi port to avr.

does glm box via usb connected to pc only work for windows pc? Do you connect speaker ,sub and glm box through rj45 cable together but without xlr aes cable between each dsp speaker?

Sorry, I meant the volume slider on-screen in the GLM software, my bad.

GLM box/software works with Windows and Mac, according to Genelec website. You will not get the optimum sound out of Genelec SAM speakers until you have calibration set up with GLM Kit. A $200 miniPC with Windows and a $100 computer monitor is all it takes, and is not much money on top of the cost of 8341A speakers.

If you have a SAM sub, digital signal from your source must connect to the sub first, then to one monitor, and from that monitor to the second one. With no sub, you connect to closest monitor, then out from there into the other monitor.

Also, RJ45 connects from GLM box to any speaker or sub, then out from there to second speaker/sub, etc. It does not matter what order you connect with the RJ45, as the software recognizes each speaker/sub regardless. The GLM box/software calibrates and controls the speakers over the RJ45 cable.

 

[derekchan]

GLM box + 9101B/9310B works standalone. No PC needs to be connected.

From the 9101B manual:
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If both the TV box and AV receiver use the same decoder, then no difference.


A cinema speaker with anti noise (noise cancellation) AFAIK does not exist.

Noise cancellation is a feature exclusive to in ears, headphones, and car stereo systems.

There's nothing like it for home theater audio.

if i use hdmi output audio to genelec speaker ,the glm box doesnt have hdmi input feature...
if there any method to turn hdmi audio output into usb ?

 

[goofytwoshoes]

if i use hdmi output audio to genelec speaker ,the glm box doesnt have hdmi input feature...
if there any method to turn hdmi audio output into usb ?

The audio signal does not connect to the GLM box, only to the speakers. The GLM box has a USB connection to computer (for using the GLM software, and which can be disconnected after calibration, NOT for audio signal), RJ45 connection to the closest speaker/sub, and the connection for calibrated mic. Also, connection for wired volume control if you go that route.
For connecting audio signal to Genelec speakers/subs, you have two choices, AES on digital XLR, or analog on XLR cable.

 

[staticV3]

if i use hdmi output audio to genelec speaker ,the glm box doesnt have hdmi input feature...
if there any method to turn hdmi audio output into usb ?

The GLM box doesnt receive audio. Its only purpose is GLM calibration and volume control.

To feed your Genelecs from an HDMI source, you can use an HDMI Audio extractor with a Coax to AES3 cable:

Amazon Basics 4K HDMI Extractor Review

This is a review and detailed measurements of the Amazon Basics 4K HDMI extractor. Member kindly purchased and drop shipped it to me. It normally costs $22.89 but was on sale for just $5!!! The case is the standard metal one for these kinds of adapters. Power is provided with a supplied USB-A...

www.audiosciencereview.com

https://support.genelec.com/hc/en-us/articles/360019582539-Can-I-connect-my-digital-SAM-monitors-to-S-PDIF-coaxial-directly

Keep in mind that the extractor linked above only supports Stereo LPCM. It will not decode surround sound.

For converting surround sound from HDMI into AES3 for the Genelecs, the Nuprime H16-AES is ideal.

 

[derekchan]

The audio signal does not connect to the GLM box, only to the speakers. The GLM box has a USB connection to computer (for using the GLM software, and which can be disconnected after calibration, NOT for audio signal), RJ45 connection to the closest speaker/sub, and the connection for calibrated mic. Also, connection for wired volume control if you go that route.
For connecting audio signal to Genelec speakers/subs, you have two choices, AES on digital XLR, or analog on XLR cable.

Than you for reply
As you mention above the wired volume from genelec sold ,has to be connected to glm box,right?
Is this volume control to adjust speaker volume level if input source is aes digital?

tvbox and pc have a digital volume either press a remote control or adjust on windows os ui ,that means the wired genelec volume is optional

 

[derekchan]

The GLM box doesnt receive audio. Its only purpose is GLM calibration and volume control.

To feed your Genelecs from an HDMI source, you can use an HDMI Audio extractor with a Coax to AES3 cable:

Amazon Basics 4K HDMI Extractor Review

This is a review and detailed measurements of the Amazon Basics 4K HDMI extractor. Member kindly purchased and drop shipped it to me. It normally costs $22.89 but was on sale for just $5!!! The case is the standard metal one for these kinds of adapters. Power is provided with a supplied USB-A...

www.audiosciencereview.com

https://support.genelec.com/hc/en-us/articles/360019582539-Can-I-connect-my-digital-SAM-monitors-to-S-PDIF-coaxial-directly

Keep in mind that the extractor linked above only supports Stereo LPCM. It will not decode surround sound.

For converting surround sound from HDMI into AES3 for the Genelecs, the Nuprime H16-AES is ideal.

Thank you
Are you saying glm box works like a volume knob of av receiver?
a proper setup of sam series speaket,it should be a glm box with 9101b and bunch of sam series speaker.All speaker included 9101b are connected to glm box via rj45.
With a 9101b you could adjust those speaker volume when input aes signal into aes port of one of the 8341a.

the last question is you should connect front left aes out to front left 8341a's aes ,right?

Can nuprime accept usb audio input?

 

[staticV3]

Are you saying glm box works like a volume knob of av receiver?

When paired with the 9101B/9310B, then yes.

the last question is you should connect front left aes out to front left 8341a's aes ,right?

Right.

Can nuprime accept usb audio input?

Nuprime is HDMI in -> AES3 out.

UDIO-8 is USB in -> AES3 out.

 

[derekchan]

The GLM box doesnt receive audio. Its only purpose is GLM calibration and volume control.

To feed your Genelecs from an HDMI source, you can use an HDMI Audio extractor with a Coax to AES3 cable:

Amazon Basics 4K HDMI Extractor Review

This is a review and detailed measurements of the Amazon Basics 4K HDMI extractor. Member kindly purchased and drop shipped it to me. It normally costs $22.89 but was on sale for just $5!!! The case is the standard metal one for these kinds of adapters. Power is provided with a supplied USB-A...

www.audiosciencereview.com

https://support.genelec.com/hc/en-us/articles/360019582539-Can-I-connect-my-digital-SAM-monitors-to-S-PDIF-coaxial-directly

Keep in mind that the extractor linked above only supports Stereo LPCM. It will not decode surround sound.

For converting surround sound from HDMI into AES3 for the Genelecs, the Nuprime H16-AES is ideal.

Unfortunely Nuprime H16-AES is lack of hdmi 2.1 passthrough like a common feature of modern av receiver
I know storm isp evo can output aes with hdmi 2.1 feature but the price

Have you heard of displayport with surround audio output? I am wondering what kind of pro av processor can accept dp input