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How can DAC's have a SOUND SIGNATURE if they measure as transparent?
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So perfect, so musical, so unaltered
Wow, unbelievably divorced from reality. Or maybe not so unbelievable... The (a) problem is hucksters like that throw around a bunch of terms to make it sound good to those users with no technical understanding, then those same users will debate you to the death with the same hogwash.
Maybe the experts here should set up a thread to compile “marketing white papers that qualify as disinformation”. I’d enjoy it.
Exactly the kind of b.s. they would present. Try again, after the required reconstruction filter, that most of the "NOS R2R" crowd ignore.
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Brandolini's law aka the bullshit asymmetry principle. It takes an order of magnitude more energy to refute BS as it does to produce BS.
I estimate you are off by at least one if not more orders of magnitude. But I have not measured it, nor wish to.
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Only costs you time and brings more clarity than a visit to a doctor that only tests bottom hearing limits at a few frequencies that are important for speech.
Fascinating how a simple feedback loop , some pcb traces and resistors ( and possibly something else if fancy ) can recognise music and destroy only that ?
Feedback in the form of P , PI or PID controllers are the staple of industrial control everywhere , your heat, your water everything around you works with feedback .
The basic principle is extremely simple you subtract output from input an creates an error signal throw that back into to loop together with the input at the desired polarity
This leaves a lot of room for FUD.
AudioSceptic
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Is that the worst ever? It's close to the classic "Point One" level, which was a milestone for amplifiers many decades ago.
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One of for sure. Some stinkers in the list .
AudioSceptic
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Sorry if I misread what you said, but how often do we find DACs that measure badly enough for that to be audible?
AudioSceptic
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Yes, I found the PS Audio, which was outrageously priced in addition to its other sins.
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Should be obvious, time domain and all that. If you sample the output, go back to the input there is time delay. So then you mix in a delayed signal all out of line. Peaks go into dips and vice versa. Clearly destroying low level detail. Clearly wiping out all subtlety in music which we humans are clearly highly attuned to hearing. Gone is depth, low level detail, and imaging.
Voila..... Music Destroyed!!!!
FUD and all that you know.
I know. I stalled out on my blind test compilation. But ASR is big enough to crowdsource, if focused. It would be a service to consumers to understand how ill-supported their accepted notions are. We are sort of doing it by being here, but not quite in as focused a way as is possible.
That’s why I wanted the blind test database to be a wiki, separated by type of component and test setup. Amir was not a fan of the wiki idea.
I am in this "hobby" long enough to don't need others opinions about what I am hearing or not.
Thanks for good intention, keep it for yourself.
Generally I am looking to learn and not to seek validation for what I already know.
On the other side an opinion based on (someone) personal thoughts is an opinion and nothing more.
But (re)moving a post from a thread just because this opinion is in disagreement with reviewer "absolute truth" makes me think maybe this is not the best place to search for useful information.
There are plenty of REGA DAC owners, I remember ten years ago it was a popular choice for low-mid cost, some praised it ,others were just pleased with it but no one said it sounds bad.
It has a poor USB input, is not the most transparent DAC ,sometimes sounds more congested vs modern DACs but overall is very musical and dynamic.
For me this is more important than any modern state-of-art which sounds plasticky and artificial, without any soul or emotion to music.
If this type of sound makes others happy, good for them...different ears....different tastes.
Regarding power cable or power supplies benefits....again...it does not make any sense to debate...
I am sometimes jealous of persons which are happy with their cheap SMPS just because manufacturer tell them "it doesn't matter"....
My initial intention was to sell Rega (I am using it few since acquisition of my RME DAC) but thanks to review and above reactions I will definitely keep it.
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Sorry if my English is not the most correct. Is not my native language.
If it is different then it will be adding audible distortion over the blameless RME, so it won’t be more lifelike or dynamic it might sound a little fuzzier which you may prefer.
Keith
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Please don't worry about that at all. Truly.
It is unsupported anecdote, as is used in place of actual evidence in pretty much every audio forum or publication in the propaganda machine. It doesn't counter actual evidence as given in the thread. This kind of input only serves to distract from what we are trying to accomplish here, so posts like this tend to get moved to a thread where some remedial work might take place.
This would be a good place to start, if that's what you really want.
AudioSceptic
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Yes, it seems that a bit of "fuzz" is being equated (mistaken?) for "soul or emotion to music". This is not "high fidelity".
AudioSceptic
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"sometimes sounds more congested vs modern DACs but overall is very musical and dynamic." Do you find this across all types of music? I can see that it *might* help in some cases but would expect the opposite in others.
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