That is correct. So the golden eared scientists who believe they hear a difference are really science deniers spreading misinformation just like those who believe exotic, expensive speaker cables create audio nirvana yet they get a pass here. I don't see any difference. The science of both seems well established and accepted from what i have learned here.
I'm not aware of them. But the industry has run numerous tests with professionals (and amateurs).
10 correct in a 10-trial test has a p=.001. Once in 1000 10-trial tests, by chance. That's how I understand it.
| TRIALS | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 |
| 1 | 1.000 | 0.500 | |||||||||
| 2 | 1.000 | 0.750 | 0.250 | ||||||||
| 3 | 1.000 | 0.875 | 0.500 | 0.125 | |||||||
| 4 | 1.000 | 0.938 | 0.688 | 0.312 | 0.062 | ||||||
| 5 | 1.000 | 0.969 | 0.812 | 0.500 | 0.188 | 0.031 | |||||
| 6 | 1.000 | 0.984 | 0.891 | 0.656 | 0.344 | 0.109 | 0.016 | ||||
| 7 | 1.000 | 0.992 | 0.938 | 0.773 | 0.500 | 0.227 | 0.062 | 0.008 | |||
| 8 | 1.000 | 0.996 | 0.965 | 0.855 | 0.637 | 0.363 | 0.145 | 0.035 | 0.004 | ||
| 9 | 1.000 | 0.998 | 0.980 | 0.910 | 0.746 | 0.500 | 0.254 | 0.090 | 0.020 | 0.002 | |
| 10 | 1.000 | 0.999 | 0.989 | 0.945 | 0.828 | 0.623 | 0.377 | 0.172 | 0.055 | 0.011 | 0.001 |
That's good to know. Perhaps I am mistaken. Because it seems to me that if a member were to promote hi res as a superior sounding consumer playback format, in spite of the evidence, that wound be what is referred to here as "snake oil" because no scientific evidence supports the claim while substantial evidence refutes it.
In many cases, the explanation is straightforward. If you can hear it, you are obviously a member of the Golden Ear club. If you can't hear it, well...
Ok but that's not very scientific. I believe that is is well established in the social sciences that people have an innate desire to feel superior. In the field of audio it is expressed by claiming to hear differences in SQ that others cannot or by purchasing equipment others cannot afford. In other fields it is expressed in other ways. In the physical sciences it may expressed by trying to demonstrate superior knowledge in a subject area under discussion. Cheers.
Pretty much.
Yep.
Not everyone who posts here is aware of or understands what science says. Of those that are - many have been convinced by their perceptive biases that they can hear things they cannot - so disbelieve what the science tells them. In short not everyone posting here is a scientist or engineer. Probably the vast majority are not.
No
What @fpitas said.
I have no idea what your point is nor what you are implying.
Speak with Amir, he can. And many others also can.
Did you read how he achieved that? It was necessary for him to turn up the volume excessively in the silence between tracks to raise the -96dB noise floor of CD to something which was audible. Had he left the volume that high when the music started playing he'd probably have put his ear drums at risk.
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Where did I say anyone can tell the difference in a practical listening session?Did you read how he achieved that? It was necessary for him to turn up the volume excessively in the silence between tracks to raise the -96dB noise floor of CD to something which was audible. Had he left the volume that high when the music started playing he'd probably have put his ear drums at risk.
So - no - not even Amir can do that in real world listening - unless he has described some other method of detecting it he has achieved without playing with the noise floor.
As for "many others" Documented repeatable controlled level matched blind ABx tests from identical masters are needed before I'll take any such claims at face value.
While you look for somethign along those lines (I've not found any) have a read of:
24/192 Music Downloads are Very Silly Indeed
So in non-practical sessions it might have some truth to it....maybe....
It's not maybe, it's an absolute yes.
Your previous statement implied more IMHO. It's mostly a maybe for most practical purposes, tho, yes? Measurements are one thing, but....and less and less reasons these days not to get a good file as memory/playback options are pretty good these days. I'm more a practical listener, tho.
