Or hinting that certain measurements don't give the whole picture. Something many of us with an objective view totally agree with.
It's not like the whole objective community within audio believe a Spinorama is a great indicator of stellar sound.
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It's not like the whole objective community within audio believe a Spinorama is a great indicator of stellar sound.
I not aware of many-any that do.
The best way to end up wrong is to take a too narrow position.
The only thing I've said is, Generec is overrated in my opinion in terms of how music makes me feel. It's been classified as the giant killer because many people, when they listen to it (in fact, it doesn't sound bad), have already become biased because it measures well and its response is a delight. These speakers are a delight, and other speakers that aren't as linear in their frequency response are criticized. I listened to three Generec models and had high expectations because they're active systems that have many advantages, but unfortunately, there are speakers that sound much better, like the Kroma or Marten.
Now you might say, but they're not expensive. Well, the 8381s are 80,000, but no one says anything about them being high prices because they're surely excellent.
If you give me a line-in speaker and a DSP that has flexibility, I can basically make its response curve identical to that of a Magic M9, but that doesn't mean it's going to sound the same. In fact, it could sound horrible because they could be out of phase and still have an ideal curve.
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Genelec with which you can record
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Genelec smart active monitor speakers do not have a SINGLE SOUND STRUCTURE IN THE HEART, but millions of variants Hz x Gain x Q. calculate the amount of each variant for each change in each different hz reading level separately with this information I have given! You obviously do not want to realize that glm software bends the sound image/basic nature of the rhythm as if you were a mirror in a world where every single separate mirror reflects your image COMPLETELY differently, there are multi-level curved mirrors, there are concave mirrors. There are reducing and magnifying mirrors, and bulging mirrors and deep image mirrors. All variants in addition to these are between your fingers and ears to choose the most suitable one for you that determines the stereo sound image in glm software. Genelec sam collection bends like a chameleon near beasts, remaining stable all the time.
Genelec smart active monitor speakers do not have a SINGLE SOUND STRUCTURE IN THE HEART, but millions of variants Hz x Gain x Q. calculate the amount of each variant for each change in each different hz reading level separately with this information I have given! You obviously do not want to realize that glm software bends the sound image/basic nature of the rhythm as if you were a mirror in a world where every single separate mirror reflects your image COMPLETELY differently, there are multi-level curved mirrors, there are concave mirrors. There are reducing and magnifying mirrors, and bulging mirrors and deep image mirrors. All variants in addition to these are between your fingers and ears to choose the most suitable one for you that determines the stereo sound image in glm software. Genelec sam collection bends like a chameleon near beasts, remaining stable all the time.
I understand the enthusiasm for the flexibility of the GLM system and the adaptability of the Genelec SAMs, but beyond the mirror metaphor, the final result depends on the underlying acoustic design.
No matter how much DSP correction it has, the character of the system is defined by its drivers, its cabinet, its crossover topology, diffractions, cabinet resonances, its off-axis response, and a world of other things. Calibration can adjust, correct, and fine-tune, but it doesn't transform a good system into a truly exceptional one. And that's my point: Genelec sounds good, it's precise, adaptable, but it lacks that organic naturalness and emotional three-dimensionality that I've heard in other very high-end passive systems without DSP.
You mean inaccurate and voiced to raise goosebumps ?
There's plenty of them out there, just check out Stereophiles 2025 Recommended Components list
The Japanese transliteration for ´Genelec´ (not kidding)
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The Sam collection gives you a completely organic sound for almost any music. I know what you mean by an organic feeling from the sound. Different rooms, of course, sound differently for different people and can make the first measurement results have a lot of bumps in the HZ level at different points in the frequency curve. Of course, this limits the GLM software to be narrower or more diluted in terms of sound image and rhythm.
But by improving the acoustics, the bumps often disappear and then the measurement is repeated with a microphone and the sky opens up for GLM software and then everyone can modify it into a desired and passion-worthy listening pleasure tool. I know you can do it too if you have the will. A reverberant room is not a good thing in this hifi hobby at all. Of course, if your room already echoes and you love your room's reverberant space, then good luck.
Every single passionate listener should at least take care of this basic thing, clap your hands properly in your listening room and you will hear the echo, if so. then your room is unclassified, i.e. still bad! Improvements should be made to improve the hifi experience. Glm software still compresses the sound image and rhythm on top of all this acoustics. But even 5-year-old children in small villages in the Himalayas already know this?
The Sam collection gives you a completely organic sound for almost any music. I know what you mean by an organic feeling from the sound. Different rooms, of course, sound differently for different people and can make the first measurement results have a lot of bumps in the HZ level at different points in the frequency curve. Of course, this limits the GLM software to be narrower or more diluted in terms of sound image and rhythm.
But by improving the acoustics, the bumps often disappear and then the measurement is repeated with a microphone and the sky opens up for GLM software and then everyone can modify it into a desired and passion-worthy listening pleasure tool. I know you can do it too if you have the will. A reverberant room is not a good thing in this hifi hobby at all. Of course, if your room already echoes and you love your room's reverberant space, then good luck.
Every single passionate listener should at least take care of this basic thing, clap your hands properly in your listening room and you will hear the echo, if so. then your room is unclassified, i.e. still bad! Improvements should be made to improve the hifi experience. Glm software still compresses the sound image and rhythm on top of all this acoustics. But even 5-year-old children in small villages in the Himalayas already know this?
Sí, sé que «poner los pelos de punta» no es un término técnico. Pero la reacción emocional a una reproducción convincente es real, predecible y ha sido ampliamente estudiada en psicoacústica.
Lo curioso es que cuando un sistema produce ese tipo de respuesta sin exageraciones, sin coloraciones artificiales suele estar haciendo más cosas bien de lo que revelan los gráficos estándar.
Y respecto a Stereophile, por supuesto hay muchos recomendados... pero sólo porque estén en la lista no garantiza que todos logren la coherencia espacial y la riqueza tímbrica que mencioné.
Ah so !
Until today I was told, the Chinese substitute the 'r' by 'l', but that Japanese do it the other way around is interesting .
I appreciate the enthusiasm, but don't underestimate those of us who seek more than simply correcting a curve.
GLM calibration can be useful, especially in untreated rooms, but even with good acoustics and repeated measurements, the character of the system still depends on its physical design. The DSP corrects, yes, but it also compresses certain nuances, something you yourself recognize later, especially in terms of rhythm, harmonic body, and three-dimensionality.
I don't have a reverberant room, and of course acoustics matter. But even in treated rooms, some systems excite more than others. No software can correct that difference. It's not about willpower; it's about having an auditory reference that goes beyond the graph on the screen.
And about the children of the Himalayas... if even they know this, perhaps they also know that music isn't just about Hz and Q, but how it makes you feel when you close your eyes.
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If you think you'll be acoustically happy in an anechoic chamber, you're completely wrong.
It is not a matter of pronunciation, which they master perfectly well, but just a transliteration issue. There is no syllable letter containing the sound ´L´ in their alphabets (hiragana/katakana) commonly used for transliterating foreign names like ´Genelec´. Same problem as with the sound for ´Ж´ when transliterating from slavic languages to latin alphabet - we have none.
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Yes, glm is already useful in bad acoustics, yes of course, but the data measured by glm will improve even more when the acoustics reach a better quality level. The fluidity of sound, image/rhythm only increases.glm is a real treasure chest of abundance, and so many people often only scratch the surface of it with their own heads without wanting to improve the results more effectively. Unfortunately, most people behave like this.
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They probably sound generic to him
I completely agree that GLM can be a useful tool, especially when combined with a good room. But like any tool, it has a defined scope.
Improving acoustics always adds value that's not up for debate but even with an optimized room, GLM still operates within the physical limitations of the system: the cabinet design, the behavior of the drivers, dispersion, diffraction, how the cabinet handles the rear wave, whether or not it has a lot of internal fill, temporal coherence, and resonances generated by the cabinet itself. Perhaps one of these variables made me more excited about a well-designed passive system.
It's not about disregarding GLM, but about not overestimating it. It can correct certain defects, but it can't produce qualities that aren't present in the original transducer design. And in many cases, the excitement generated by a well-resolved passive system without any digital processing is still unparalleled.