Agree, but devices like the Nuprime H16-A could change this as it allows for full HD multichannel. Coupled with a computer running convolution and a proper multichannel DAC, performance could easily match or exceed even the best processors.
I already asked in your thread about the Nuprime H16-A, but unfortunately you didn't reply.
The product hasn’t been released yet. Chris at https://audiophilestyle.com/ should be doing a write up on how it can be used in a multichannel setup.
The room is very important. There are some less extreme solutions than those proposed that can help, along with a proper convolution filter. All of these will have orders of magnitude bigger impact than variations between well designed electronics.
Unfortunately, that doesn't answer any of my questions.
Agree with your questions?
but don't really elaborate on it further. I'm sure it won't quite be GLM, but if this feature is surprisingly mature upon release and can be a useful replacement for outboard DSP/room EQ then they really have moved the needle in this space. Not holding my breath, but cautiously optimistic!
believe the Marantz M1 uses thisI used a dedicate PC to run a convolution filter using a miniDSP toslink to usb streamer as an input and output to an RME DAC. Worked flawlessly, and sounded fantastic. Problem was it was limited to 2 channel low res inputs and for movies many stereo tracks are missing the LFE. A PC can run a much more sophisticated DSP than what you can get from most AVP or AVRs. Also the DACs in these are ok but not state of the art.
Glad your setup sounds good! I should have clarified what I meant, a PC in the loop is a drag in that its additional gear, cost, and a place to introduce latency (sensitive for gaming. I don't do a lot, but don't want to rule out the option). In terms of pure fidelity, theres no compromise there.
Yes. Agree. AoIP is very much all or nothing. The H16-A seems much more reasonably priced than the Arvus and it’s from a much more established company. Hopefully we will see more like it that allow open architecture regarding the methods for DSP and equipment, DAC etc
There is always a DAC to convert digits (be them only 1s and 0s, actually meaning 1 and -1 values respectively, as with unprocessed DSD) to voltages (or currents or whatever analogue physical phenomena). As some authors* have pointed out: 'The signal ceases being digital once it is referred to a time base. Even at the time of writing [2006], amplifiers according to this design [So called "full digital amplifiers"] are still touted as “more pure, because the D/A conversion stage is avoided”. This is not quite the case, unfortunately. A simple, high-quality small-signal D/A converter is substituted for by a mediocre discrete design using power FETs.'Also direct digital class D amps like the Axign AX5689 are super cool - the best DAC is no DAC if you can have the MOSFET directly painting from a digital PWM signal. Straight from digital domain to a fully amplified signal in one shot
this may have been the state in 2006. I agree the typical DAC is extremely mature and it would be a lot of work for a class D design to reach a performance level that can be readily had for fairly cheap already. but are some designs in 2025 are quite close? already better than some dac/amp boards? yes. the Axign measures well and seems competently designed. this is not a gimmick of design, it is a clever approach but takes a lot of engineering to pull off. similar of the discourse on class D amps more generally.
Dear Blockader thanks for Your input , why you want to have a high ceiling ? Also keep first reflections?
Hi From Italy PGA the studios has cheated all of us since CD switch crossing from the 80’s with all media possible dvd Blu-ray and all surround enveloping codec till current atmos multichannel… with always the need of changing one time the media one time the hardware. It’s over now … they are now purposing Blu-ray as next revolution multichannel listening to the moon impossible without also proper hardware ( imagine they are even back with vynil for try selling something ) there will be no massive music in high resolution multichannel without Movies and obviously will not have any great multichannel dacs especially at proper prices if the market is not combine between all parties . No chance for a new media for me is dead , never again.. youngers generation do online .. Studios has to make good quality on streaming not just one company like AIX or AURO’s , need every studios involved which selling quality subscription— hardware producer instead has to agree on format like Flac Multichannel plus the various codec needed I guess its the way to go . Even 16 bit 44 kHz is enough for multichannel if properly done and better than any higher resolution badly done . Recording mixing remastering with AI may could probably be done easier and cheaper to obtain better sounding multichannel music and movie . Good Sunday everyone
Your nightmare has long since come true.
