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Hifiman Edition XS

Why they would even openly say it to you like this is beyond me.
They can pivot any branding they like on their technological changes, no matter if they're substantiated or not. For example, I've always took offense against the "stealth driver" technology that they used to market as the best thing since sliced bread, but more specifically, against the community hype towards it. While fazor technology and directivity optimizations to avoid diffractions are commonplace and very welcome, it's nothing new, and certainly not transformative by itself: the 400se non stealth and 400se stealth don't measure all that different, distortion wise, to make the stealth upgrade meaningful. Moreover, the best performing Hifimans distortion wise (the HE6, HE5/500 and 6SEs), use a whole technology altogether, literally a sheet of planar driver in a holed cage, in other words, a diffraction and directivity nightmare, and they still have a distortion profile akin to source gear.
 
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The margins they have are insane.
The entire headphone is not more than 50$ to produce, generously.
Obviously this should be not news to anyone, they can offer HE400SE for 99$ with the same headband, similar amount of metal parts, magnets, printed foil etc. And remember even on that one they are making a profit.
Its just its positioning in the market (in terms of sound), and the brand image they want you to have of them, allow it to be listed at whatever price, they can pick 499$ or 209$ it really makes no difference. They're still running a 5x margin even with that.

I mean the driver is made out of two sandwitched FR4 or FR3 plates they get very cheaply from PCB industry. If you have never opened the headphone up, refer to image on page 1 of this thread. Its on the order of a dozen cents per piece. With two generic thin wires, leading to a generic jack, all at high volume, so far we're barely a dollar in cost. Film and despositing a conductor probably done in house but once you have the roll and the machines, the recuring cost is trivial. They get these on kilometer long spools.

Their "big" cost up until now was neodymium magnets costing them upwards of 10$ per driver, but they've found a way to do away with that pesky cost with the new edition XV and even brag about using non-neodymium magnet in advertising materials. but its ok folks, they "reach similar performance as neodymium due to geometry optimisation". Why they would even openly say it to you like this is beyond me. We could have even achieved higher gap flux density if we did the same optimisation but with neodymium, but we would rather pocket to give you a similar product just cheaper for us to make (and not pass it on to you of course).

Obviously rest of headphone is mostly cheap plastics and stamped & bent metal, anyone who held it in their hands knows already, everything very simple and cheap to make. Exception being the cast aluminium grille which ironically is so resonant you can play it like a harp with your fingernails, it does not really matter but its the one place using some plastic that is much more damped could probably been better for performance, but then headphone would have no basis to even pretend to be premium.
Earpads are also cost optimised to hell, just generic fabric with the cheapest foam inside. You can buy identical pads right now, in small volume, for 11$ a pair, then its no more than 5$ a pair to them. And that is if they're subcontracting them out.

Of course the real takeaway is what sound you could be getting at peanuts cost if the hifi industry decided to run on margins any other industry has.
In a market where a mains plug fuse sells for £100s the this is relatively acceptable. Ultimately it's the dumb consumer that drives these stupid prices up for what are commodity products dressed up.
 
Back to the topic; I've been using a JDS Element 2 and a Fosi ZH3, latter with a 4.4 balanced cable, and they're both capable of creating inner ear mayhem without the amps running out of power. I'm using essentially Oracle's profile so around a 3dB boost below 100Hz
 
Agreed. Crazy how much Hifiman will discount years after release. I paid closer to $500 for mine way back when. Just got a Capra strap, that is a great add, super comfortable. On sale for $20 now.
Yep CAPRA strap is a must for Comfy listening
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I've got mine today and they're comfortable without the strap - although I've already bought one in advance so will give it a try.

First impressions are great. The sound is definitely colored in the treble area, but in a way that makes it sound "super-detailed".

With Oratory1990's EQ the sound is improved further (I'm surprised the difference is so small in quick switching, the graph would suggest something else) but of course I'd have to tweak the EQ with time.

I'm aware I might have increased level of attention just because it's a new headphone, though.

If the treble doesn't annoy you, this is a very nice listening experience.
 
Do you have any recommended songs and points in the song to test this?
Some of my favorites for bass energy...

Moonchild, album "Voyager". Song Now and Then, right around 1:48 to 1:50. Nice little synth-bass frequency drop into sub-bass. The whole album is full of some very nice low bass.

Aaron Parks album Little Big. The song Aquarium, right around :23 there's a pretty low bass point but the whole song is rife with bass energy, so be careful, because it will find any weakness (as I can profess with my old Massdrop 4XX's) in the mylar film of a set of planar cans. I tend to not crank the volume too high with this one on any set of headphones, including my XS's.

Daft Punk album TRON: Legacy - The Complete Edition (Original Motion Picture). Solar Sailor. Another one to be careful with.
 
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