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The most interesting position when you go loud is between or a little at the back or front and between the speakers.
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Help me pick speakers for my big room!
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Would it be possible to have a simple drawing of your space ?
Also, if you are far from the speakers and in a big untreated space I think you'll want speakers with narrow directivity, otherwise it will sound like a big mess
For me you're in pro audio territory here, so I'd strongly consider this : https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...-70j-1-review-constant-beam-transducer.21469/
It's not pretty but it's quite small, it exists in white and if you want you could easily spray-paint it to better fit into your room
You'd need some subs of course and some way to eq, but I think it's an interesting solution that can give you ok WAF and surprinsingly good sound in your unusual space
Also, if you are far from the speakers and in a big untreated space I think you'll want speakers with narrow directivity, otherwise it will sound like a big mess
For me you're in pro audio territory here, so I'd strongly consider this : https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...-70j-1-review-constant-beam-transducer.21469/
It's not pretty but it's quite small, it exists in white and if you want you could easily spray-paint it to better fit into your room
You'd need some subs of course and some way to eq, but I think it's an interesting solution that can give you ok WAF and surprinsingly good sound in your unusual space
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I was thinking about this. The ascend and Philharmonic Audio might not be good.
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Which is about ten times over TS budget.
BUT, one or double of this. A superb driver:
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BMS 18N862 - 18″ Subwoofer 8Ω
Technical parameters and comparison of the BMS 18N862 18″ Subwoofer 8Ω · Resonance frequency 25Hz · Power handling 3000W · Sensitivity 93dB · Xmax 19mm · Magnet: Neodymium
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Then it may approach TS budget. But that's OT because I don't think TS is on the DIY track.
BMS 18N862 in a three or four-way speaker design that is.
As noted by multiple members, Revels are great.
As to the system concept, I would myself prefer 2 bookshelves (to meet the budget), 2 subs (small-er as demands seem not to be high on low end reach) and Dirac Live+ART.
Don't have first hand experience (i.e. doing the setup myself) with active DSP speakers, but what I heard (Genelec and Kii) in other setups sounded great. They will have their own DSP to deal with the room. @Mort has both Genelec and ART, so is better positioned to comment.
Would never go without room correction, especially in what seems to be a challenging room.
As to the system concept, I would myself prefer 2 bookshelves (to meet the budget), 2 subs (small-er as demands seem not to be high on low end reach) and Dirac Live+ART.
Don't have first hand experience (i.e. doing the setup myself) with active DSP speakers, but what I heard (Genelec and Kii) in other setups sounded great. They will have their own DSP to deal with the room. @Mort has both Genelec and ART, so is better positioned to comment.
Would never go without room correction, especially in what seems to be a challenging room.
Where is your router in relation to your speaker location?
If it can't be directly hard-wired using a long Ethernet cable, consider a Powerline Adapor kit. These consist of 2 (or more) small mains sckets, each with an Ethernet socket. You plug one into a mains wall socket close to the router and connect an Ethernet cable to one of the router sockets. The other, you plug into a wall socket close to the streamer (or speakers such as the LS60) and connect another Ethernet cable between that plug and the streamer. Now you have hard-wired your streamer using the house wiring. You can only do this using your own house wiring, so not if your streamer gets its power from a different consumer unit.
Something like this -
You can get multiple Powerline plugs, so printers or other devices that are either out of wi-fi range or don't have wi-fi capabilities can be directly linked to the router.
Another alternative is Extenders that increase the range of wi-fi but these are less reliable and the extended range is limited to about an extra 30%.
PS - Read Stereophile's review of the KEF LS60. They were mighty impressed. Being as slim as it is, it offers a high WAF! I may get a pair myself for my secondary living room!
KEF LS60 Wireless loudspeaker | Stereophile.com
I became interested in hi-fi well before the stereo era, at a time when DIY was a significant part of the hobby. In store catalogs of the time, as much or more space was devoted to raw speaker drivers and enclosures than to complete speaker systems.
Most speakers benefit from being placed 2-4 feet or so forward from the wall behind them, so this plus the depth of the speaker itself will reduce the speaker to listener distance considerably. Best not to have the listening chair / sofa backing directly to the wall, so consider a walkway behind the chair, or place furniture such as bookshelves there to further reduce the speaker to listener distance. Place speakers so the triangle is about equilateral or a little steeper.
I don't often doubt Kef's numbers, but here I do. And then I remembered Erin reviewed them.
So here you go, sine sweep compression and multi-tone compression. Look at those two purple bumps at the bottom of the first chart, that's the 102 dB line.
Big room, big speakers. Fits like a glove.
If I had a big enough listening room I would have considered a pair:
Good power handling and high efficiency. I think they look good too.
Used, in good condition, and with a little luck TS can get a pair without breaking the budget.But with that said, Heco speakers are not that common in the US though, as far as I can tell, so they might be hard to get hold of.
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Like said you need big speakers for that space, there is no way arround the physics of this. JBL 4367 or M2 would be my first choice without budget limit. That is over budget, i know. But whatever speaker you get, it must be able to get to 110-115dB clean at 1m to get you to 80dB + decent headroom for transients at 6m (20feet) within the frequency band you need (mostly 40hz to 20kHz). This will need big speaker, no way arround that. You could split it up in a top and a few subs to not have 2 big monolith speakers in your room, but even then they will not be small, and you will need more advanced dsp to configure that right than the Wiim. And no, no Revel or Kef can do that volume. You need a speaker with a compression driver as tweeter and big woofers (or many smaller) to get there. I think your size and budget restrictions are not realistic for what you want.
Could do it with PA speakers, but then the WAF budget it the problem lmao
Dual 15 inch bass drivers, 104 dB sensitivity, 800 watts power handling. Made for movie theaters.
Can handle TS large rooms, BUT beautiful?
Can handle TS large rooms, BUT beautiful?
My room is pretty much exactly half the size of the OP's and I use these http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/Faital-3WC-15.htm at a similar listening distance (18 foot).
They'd have no trouble with a room twice the size even at high levels at the listening pos. Yes they are DIY but I had them custom built by an expert and delivered for not much more than the O/Ps budget.
Worth thinking outside the box on this one as per @DanielT suggestion above.
They'd have no trouble with a room twice the size even at high levels at the listening pos. Yes they are DIY but I had them custom built by an expert and delivered for not much more than the O/Ps budget.
Worth thinking outside the box on this one as per @DanielT suggestion above.
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If OP can't reduce the distance, there are speakers that can still do the noise he requires. What comes to mind are Perlisten R or S series 7 towers, or Arendal 1528 towers or even "monitors". A bit out of the budget though.
They look pretty mighty but that horn - you got to love horns to do that. Would for sure tear my ears.
If OP can't reduce the distance, there are speakers that can still do the noise he requires. What comes to mind are Perlisten R or S series 7 towers, or Arendal 1528 towers or even "monitors". A bit out of the budget though.
Waxx
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If you go that way, in the US you got Pi Speakers, that are highly regarded in the diy world and do work on a more or less scientific way. Their 15" model with all the upgrades that matter is like 1400$ on their site. They are build to order and i'm quiet sure the owner can provide measurements. They are located in Arizona.
Waxx
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these could be build into a wall to avoid wav problems (if that is an option). That's how some do it here in Europe in a similar situation. These are gret, if you use them with a dsp for room correction and eq. The passive crossover is right aligned on phase/time and frequency response, but they can use some eq to flatten the response, certainly in a room.
A line array type speaker is a very good answer to a very large listening space and will help with this. They are typically capable of high SPLs and due to the physics of sound, they fall off at ~3dB per doubling of the distance as opposed to ~6dB for all of these point source speakers.... after a few meters the difference is substantial.
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