You've just beat me - I recommend this as well.Okay, yeah I see why you're having bass problems. I'd recommend turning everything 180 degrees - speakers closer to the wall than you.
You've just beat me - I recommend this as well.Okay, yeah I see why you're having bass problems. I'd recommend turning everything 180 degrees - speakers closer to the wall than you.
Can’t escape the importance of lens quality and that is one area where a budget projector will suffer. I have a pair of Swarovski-Optic 7*42 binoculars. The difference in detail to a budget pair of equal magnification is startling. Here is an interesting read on the importance of the lens and the difficulties for budget projector manufacturers.If I'm going to make such a change (flip everything 180°) at least I want to be able to have some fun and make a good use of the wall in front of me
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The projector is a €100 DBPower from Amazon, in theory the output is 1080p, but this does not look 1080p to me... (EDIT: it was slightly out of focus from the projector's side, but it still doesn't look like 1080p to me)
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Get two subwoofers (either HT or DIY are your best options, you need to pay out your ass to get similar output from studio subs as you get from proper HT subs) and do the necessary room correction. Do get at least an external crossover to high pass the mains. You will also most likely want some external DSP box.And when I watch movies, I won't deny that I'd love to experience an amount of bass that I would describe as "brutal".
One well integrated sub will be extremely difficult to locate. Two will be pretty much impossible. I am convinced there is no true full range without subwoofers. With that in mind, I've never heard main studio monitors like those 200+kg Genelecs!The reason - maybe silly - on why I specified that I didn't want a sub is because I thought I would be able to perceive where the bass was coming from, and also I didn't want to set up another piece of equipment if my needs would have been solved with monitors capable of providing a satisfying amount of bass.
Can’t escape the importance of lens quality and that is one area where a budget projector will suffer. I have a pair of Swarovski-Optic 7*42 binoculars. The difference in detail to a budget pair of equal magnification is startling. Here is an interesting read on the importance of the lens and the difficulties for budget projector manufacturers.
I would place your speakers roughly where that piano is.
Yeah either wall is fine, was just responding to your desire to face the door. If you can flip around your desk that’s equally appropriate.Thanks, I've read the article with pleasure.
I will be projecting on a cracked wall with a textured surface, so I'm not expecting much: as long as the projector will offer a decent amount of lumens and 1080p, it will be good for me.
Unfortunately I wasn't able to find anything under €650, on Amazon.it.
This is Epson is €390, but limited to 1024 x 768. Reading the manual it can mimic a 16/9 stretch, but the resolution is still limited to 768p.
Thanks, it looks tempting because I would be able to see the door.
But I was thinking about using the wall where the chair is, simply because I could also project on the wall using the whole lenght and the result would be quite insane to be honest, in terms of overall size.
Quality-wise, well.. the wall has an irregular textured surface, not much that can be done there, butI'd say it's worth a try just to see if something like this is replicable: a composer room that looks like a movie mixing room:
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This of course makes perfect sense in my head, but I'll need to start moving things around to see if this is actually doable.
Consider Monoprice Encore. I heard it and I thought for the price it’s pretty good.Dear all,
After returning my Adam a77x hoping to never deal with Adam as a company ever again, I'm back in the market for a pair of studio monitors and I was wondering if you could help me narrow down my choices and provide some advice.
My budget is (max) €3500 for the pair. Ideally, they should be able to provide enough bass even without the use of a subwoofer.
I am currently using a pair of HS8 since 2015 but I'm dissatisfied with the amount of bass they provide, which I find underwhelming.
I'm a contemporary classical and film music composer, but I also listen to lots of bass heavy music for pleasure. I've been working for seven years with Yahama's HS8 and a pair of AKG K240 MKII, which is a pretty basic setup, and now I think it's finally time for an upgrade. I would also change headphones but I'm using a Komplete Audio 2 and I'm not sure how it will handle some Sennheiser HD 660, for example (volume-wise).
These are some of the available monitors in my price range on Thomann.com.
KRK Rokit RP10-3 G4 € 444 EVE audio SC307 € 959 Focal Solo 6 Be red burr ash € 959 Quested S7R Mk3 Active € 1.111 Focal Twin 6 Be red burr ash € 1.590 Neumann KH 310 € 1.848 Quested V2108 B-Stock (over budget) € 2.333 (over budget)
I'm oriented towards the KH310, especially because they are held in high praise by my colleagues. They are slightly over budget, but it's fine.
Thank you!
When is your second kh310 coming?UPDATE:
Tonight I flipped everything 180°. I'm still with one single KH310 monitor, the second is coming on Tuesday.
The KH310 is 50cm from the wall.
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The results so far are pretty depressing. My observations:
1) From the listening position you see in the picture, no bass is perceived from the KH310. Like, at all.
2/10th of what I was hearing before. This makes no sense, especially because angle and distance are identical as before, "just" the placement changed, but the result is infinitely worse.
BUT... if I move backwards 1.5m with my back at the piano, the bass comes back at full force. Bigger than before, but less tight.
2) If I switch the KH310 with the HS8, the bass is more pronounced but more headache-inducing as well, and it reminds me when I had my HS8 near the wall in my previous bedroom studio. Funny enough, back then I solved the problem by having my desk in the middle of the room.
3) Visually, the whole setup looks pretty neat, I have to be honest here.
But when I heard a crackle behind me I jumped one meter, and suddenly remembered why I never have my back at the door.
I'm not sure how I should proceed here, if I should do something before Tuesday comes and I'll test everything again with both monitors.
You should do measurements in the room with REW. It’s pretty easy to get jumbled up in comparisons and lose track of how something is supposed to sound. This is one of the reasons measurements are so valuable. If they confirm what you’re hearing then you can set off to find a solution.I'm not sure how I should proceed here, if I should do something before Tuesday comes and I'll test everything again with both monitors.
You should do measurements in the room with REW. It’s pretty easy to get jumbled up in comparisons and lose track of how something is supposed to sound. This is one of the reasons measurements are so valuable. If they confirm what you’re hearing then you can set off to find a solution.
This really isn’t something you can easily judge by ear.
He was my dog, and a very good dog.Thanks, I will, as soon as the other monitor arrives on Tuesday. There's a guide here, unless you suggest some other resources?
Ps. The dog in your profile picture is absolutely adorable, is he/she your dog?
Don’t get depressed! Getting the bass right in a small room is a process that requires some time. I highly recommend the advice of taking measurements each time you make a major change. I would wait until you have both monitors then start the journey. Once you have a proficiency with REW, you will quite quickly find the optimum position in your room. I know that you need to balance the layout with your creative needs. I would first find the optimum position ignoring those needs and then work towards them with your placement.UPDATE:
Tonight I flipped everything 180°. I'm still with one single KH310 monitor, the second is coming on Tuesday.
The KH310 is 50cm from the wall.
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The results so far are pretty depressing. My observations:
1) From the listening position you see in the picture, no bass is perceived from the KH310. Like, at all.
2/10th of what I was hearing before. This makes no sense, especially because angle and distance are identical as before, "just" the placement changed, but the result is infinitely worse.
BUT... if I move backwards 1.5m with my back at the piano, the bass comes back at full force. Bigger than before, but less tight.
2) If I switch the KH310 with the HS8, the bass is more pronounced but more headache-inducing as well, and it reminds me when I had my HS8 near the wall in my previous bedroom studio. Funny enough, back then I solved the problem by having my desk in the middle of the room.
3) Visually, the whole setup looks pretty neat, I have to be honest here.
But when I heard a crackle behind me I jumped one meter, and suddenly remembered why I never have my back at the door.
I'm not sure how I should proceed here, if I should do something before Tuesday comes and I'll test everything again with both monitors.
It seems your listening position is at a null where bass reflections cancel each other. Or your hearing is adapted to a non flat frequency response with higher bass due to missing room EQ. Or both ...UPDATE:
Tonight I flipped everything 180°. I'm still with one single KH310 monitor, the second is coming on Tuesday.
The KH310 is 50cm from the wall.
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The results so far are pretty depressing. My observations:
1) From the listening position you see in the picture, no bass is perceived from the KH310. Like, at all.
2/10th of what I was hearing before. This makes no sense, especially because angle and distance are identical as before, "just" the placement changed, but the result is infinitely worse.
BUT... if I move backwards 1.5m with my back at the piano, the bass comes back at full force. Bigger than before, but less tight.
Considering their price, I don't know why you don't like the sound from these monitors.
That is quite a large room, at least in the height dimension. The Neumanns look pretty small in it. It might be the case that you need even larger speakers and/or multiple subwoofers.
Don’t get depressed! Getting the bass right in a small room is a process that requires some time.
The deeper the actual bass response, the stronger that the room interactions will be. A speaker that doesn't actually have much low-end response won't even strongly activate the room modes in the first place so it can seem easier to work with at a glance. When you have a microphone and test sweeps in hand the experimentation will become a lot more productive, and you can adjust things with purpose.Thanks. This is frustrating because there's so much to do and experiment, that I don't know if I'm actually making progress or not. And as I previously mentioned, it does not help that I'm also second guessing my choice of monitors, but that's simply related to their quite high cost.