| Keep the HS8, buy the HS8S subwoofer | €449 |
| Buy just the Neumann KH310 and try them at home | €3700 |
| Buy the Neumann KH310 + Neumann KH 750 DSP | "I'm never financially recover from this" |
| Buy the Neumann KH310 + a cheaper 8/10'' sub | (a stupid idea?) |
Depends on what you really want: just brutal loud deep bass, or maybe the KH310s already seduced you with their overall sound quality?
) a single 8" sub won't do. One or two 10" are the minimum. I use one 10" (Genelec 8060b) in a 50 sqm room but it is the limiting factor when I play louder than I ever do ( which means fine for me but maybe not for you).
As said by others the center of a room is not a great position for a loudspeaker, especially regarding bass. Often in studio shops there are also dozens of other loudspeakers which with their bass membranes and ports can act as bass absorbers, making the tested loudspeakers sound quite bass shy and not having enough SPL.
10" / 8" is the diameter ratio. It's the volume of the air moved by the woofer though which counts so you have to quadruple this ratio for the area, and multiply it by the ratio of the maximum extenion (bigger woofers have higher extension). Bigger woofers also have bigger voice coils which can handle more power, and they may have higher sensitivity. All the factors multiply to the ratios mentioned above.
A 10" may be enough.
Don't know this one, but no. Make sure that the sub goes down to 20 Hz / -3 dB. Many cheap and small ones reach only 30 Hz if at all. But 2 or more small subs can deliver better bass than one big sub ...
Sorry, I think I missed the part where you had mentioned getting someone to do that for me. Love the colour of that panel!
Off topic, but since you mentioned being a composer and a conductor...I'd very much like to check out some of your works!I think this is an easy and solvable problem.
My writing room is where I compose music (as previously mentioned, contemporary classical and orchestral - I'm a composer and conductor) but it's the room where I also listen to music for pleasure and occasionally watch movies.
And when I watch movies, I won't deny that I'd love to experience an amount of bass that I would describe as "brutal".
So, on one side I'm at the stage in my career where I can afford to spend up to €3500 on a pair of monitors, on the other I would also like to purchase something that will have my bass needs completely satisfied (= playing the opening sequence of Blade Runner 2049 and have my neighbours call the police on me).
So, first fork in the road: can I achieve this without a sub?
Can the KH310 or the Quested V2108 (the two expensive options in my list, and the ones with the biggest woofers at 8'') provide a decent (and superior to my HS8) amount of bass output?
Also, I never realistically considered the option, but Yamaha has a sub for the HS8, the HS8S.
The reason - maybe silly - on why I specified that I didn't want a sub is because I thought I would be able to perceive where the bass was coming from, and also I didn't want to set up another piece of equipment if my needs would have been solved with monitors capable of providing a satisfying amount of bass.
Thanks to everyone for your replies
I will report back!
I’d buy something like two of these instead of the KH750. Yes, you are going to have to do some more work with integrating them, but multiple subs is the way forward in getting great bass. Looking forward to your report on the KH310s. From the Neumann website,EDIT:
I went with the KH310
1) If budget was tight and I wanted to add a sub, would it be ok to add a € 357 Presonus Temblor T10 for a little punch instead of the four times more expensive Neumann KH750?
2) I bought a B-stock of the right KH310 as soon as I saw it and I was able to save a little, and if the left one doesn't pop up on the website as well, today or tomorrow I'm gonna purchase it new.
Hope I didn't do anything stupid and matching a slightly used right (it should be a speaker used less than a month) with a new left isn't going to cause you guys a massive facepalm. Buying a b-stock allowed me to stay perfectly in budget, and if the left one will appear as well, that means money for a sub or some extras.
The "specified" frequency ranges of all these subs lack the dB range, so take them with a bucket of salt. Don't expect something like +/- 3dB but rather -10dB or worse. Serious companies provide full specs and plots but you have to pay for that.
Yes please.EDIT:
I went with the KH310
On paper and looking at the back side it offers most you'll need for a 2.1 system. I like the possibility to bypass the sub using a cheap external switch. The only thing missing compared to my 7060b is the 90 degree phase switch.
No need to worry. Neumann speakers are all factory calibrated so you can use any 2 of the same model for a stereo system, or more for a HT system.
If you don't have a lot of experience with subwoofer integration and room EQ the Neumann KH 750 DSP + MA1 kit gives you a quick, simple and automated way to get (presumably) good results with Neumann monitors. I'd say that's its main value proposition.EDIT:
I went with the KH310
1) If budget was tight and I wanted to add a sub, would it be ok to add a € 357 Presonus Temblor T10 for a little punch instead of the four times more expensive Neumann KH750?
2) I bought a B-stock of the right KH310 as soon as I saw it and I was able to save a little, and if the left one doesn't pop up on the website as well, today or tomorrow I'm gonna purchase it new.
Hope I didn't do anything stupid and matching a slightly used right (it should be a speaker used less than a month) with a new left isn't going to cause you guys a massive facepalm. Buying a b-stock allowed me to stay perfectly in budget, and if the left one will appear as well, that means money for a sub or some extras.
Neumann speakers need no break in. Remember they are factory calibrated which would not make any sense when FR changes at first usage.
Don't think so.
The crossover in the sub handles this for you. You connect the preamp via XLR with the 2 inputs of the sub and the 2 outputs of the sub to the speakers. In bypass mode the signal is routed without change from input to output and the sub is switched off. In Normal mode the input signal goes to the crossover which sends the low pass filtered signal to the sub and the high pass filtered signal to the output (speakers). You just need to decide at which frequency the crossover shall work.
I'd just add that usually you can only control the low-pass frequency on such subwoofers, while the high-pass is typically a fixed frequency (often at 80 or 85Hz). So if you use the built-in crossover you are in practice limited to use this predefined high-pass frequency for the low-pass as well.
Is that so? Stupid!
