if there was a mistake for the test, it must be corrected or the test must be repeated completely... but, it is an injustice to leave the photo of the dac with the beheaded panther on the first page... forgive me but I don't understand ?
All the tests were repeated.if there was a mistake for the test, it must be corrected or the test must be repeated completely...
I assume you guys are here to read the measurements, not see a picture of a product one way or the other. That is there for entertainment purposes.but, it is an injustice to leave the photo of the dac with the beheaded panther on the first page... forgive me but I don't understand ?
I assume you guys are here to read the measurements, not see a picture of a product one way or the other. That is there for entertainment purposes.
There is a link with bolded red color to point to new measurements in the review. I put that there immediately after I post the correction.Amir, I agree with fredoamigo. You have to scroll to a lot of posts to find out the measurements were redone.
I would at least put an extra first line in your first post pointing to the new measurements.
Amir, I agree with fredoamigo. You have to scroll to a lot of posts to find out the measurements were redone.
I would at least put an extra first line in your first post pointing to the new measurements.
Thank you for posting.Hey everone. This is our first posting on this forum.
First of all, thanks to @amirm for doing the review. The mistake on the measurements could really have happened to anyone. And it has. You are in good company. I can tell you that much. We were a bit puzzled when we saw the first post.
For the thoughts on build quality and pricing, that is not our role to discuss. We are very proud of the HD12 and feel that it was well worth the money at the time. But you are the real judges of that.
The thing I wanted to write about is actually the output level on the balanced outputs. They are true electronically balanced outputs. The reason the output is still just 2,5V is that we think it sounds better. With higher output levels you get a better measurement on the DAC alone. But you also have to reduce the volume further in your preamp or amp. That is negative. So that is why we deliberately have a low output level on our balanced outputs.
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I will obviously continue to watch this forum, but note that I may not be super fast at answering PM's
This thread is a good example for the general trend of decreasing content quality and I'm sorry to say that this is mostly triggered by Amir himself with his choosen policy to give an overall rating based on a plain, non-compensated performance-to-price ratio.
You simply cannot use uncompensated prices in comparisons, rather a translation from price to actual value must be made, and even better yet, don't judge a price at all unless it way out of bounds (in both ways), just leave it as a remark, not a headline.
You cannot directly compare China mass maker retail prices to what the same thing must necessarily cost when built by a small company in an expensive country.
We're not talking TotalDac price policy ranges, this is about sane prices called up for sane engineering in the context of what is possible and actually required for a small undertaking to have any chance to survive, under the conditions they have to work.
So, Amir, please stop coming to unreflected conclusions, stick to the objective data (price isn't one) and preferably stop misusing the perfomance-to-price ratio for the overall panther rating.
And folks, please stop being stupid copycats jumping on trains running in the wrong direction.
My point is that these measurements
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...phone-amplifier-audio-measurements-png.41029/
where any experienced eye sees 16-bit signal mode with dither should have been already deleted. Not only commented. This is just a measuring method error, regardless its probable origin in driver configuration.
OK: so why did it dither? Usually when a bad driver truncates it's painfully obvious but the dithering here is what made it weird and confusing. And worth noting.My point is that these measurements
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...phone-amplifier-audio-measurements-png.41029/
where any experienced eye sees 16-bit signal mode with dither should have been already deleted. Not only commented. This is just a measuring method error, regardless its probable origin in driver configuration.
Sort of disagree, in light of ASR’s transparency & honesty @amirm took the right course, kudos for that. We all make mistakes, as long as we admit & correct all is good.
No need to rewrite history.
OK: so why did it dither? Usually when a bad driver truncates it's painfully obvious but the dithering here is what made it weird and confusing. And worth noting.
Yes but it has thrown a bad light onto the product and later explanation is unable to fix it. Known in many cases, damaged reputation is difficult to recover or repair.