Headphone Correction & Spatialization

[Theriverlethe]

Has anyone gotten these VST’s to work with EqualizerAPO? CanOpener does nothing on my setup even when activated and Redline Monitor always crashes EqualizerAPO’s control program.

 

[andreasmaaan]

Has anyone gotten these VST’s to work with EqualizerAPO? CanOpener does nothing on my setup even when activated and Redline Monitor always crashes EqualizerAPO’s control program.

Had exactly the same experience unfortunately, which is why I switched to Ableton in the end.

 

[Theriverlethe]

Had exactly the same experience unfortunately, which is why I switched to Ableton in the end.

Does Ableton work with all audio, or only audio played through the software? I believe Jriver Media Center has a virtual sound card and VST support.

 

[andreasmaaan]

Does Ableton work with all audio, or only audio played through the software? I believe Jriver Media Center has a virtual sound card and VST support.

You can route all audio through it using something like Virtual Cable.

Perhaps JRiver Media Centre would be a better way to go about it though, as Ableton is system-intensive. The main reason I'm using Ableton is because it's very stable and I have it already anyway.

 

[digitalfrost]

Has anyone gotten these VST’s to work with EqualizerAPO? CanOpener does nothing on my setup even when activated and Redline Monitor always crashes EqualizerAPO’s control program.

Works for me. I've created a VSTPlugins folder inside the EqualizerAPO folder and I'm copying any plugin I want to use with EqAPO there. Also be aware, must use 64bit plugins, 32bit doesn't work.

 

[Theriverlethe]

Works for me. I've created a VSTPlugins folder inside the EqualizerAPO folder and I'm copying any plugin I want to use with EqAPO there. Also be aware, must use 64bit plugins, 32bit doesn't work.

I’m aware of the limitation, though Equalizer APO will simply refuse to load a 32-bit VST. I don’t think there’s VST3 support, either. Which of these did you get to work?

 

[digitalfrost]

LoudMax64.dll https://loudmax.blogspot.com/
reacomp-standalone.dll https://www.reaper.fm/reaplugs/

 

[andreasmaaan]

LoudMax64.dll https://loudmax.blogspot.com/
reacomp-standalone.dll https://www.reaper.fm/reaplugs/

Ah, I see. Actually, I'm able to run a number of VST plugins in Equalizer APO also. It's these specific plugins mentioned in the OP that do not work.

 

[Theriverlethe]

LoudMax64.dll https://loudmax.blogspot.com/
reacomp-standalone.dll https://www.reaper.fm/reaplugs/

You can route all audio through it using something like Virtual Cable.

Perhaps JRiver Media Centre would be a better way to go about it though, as Ableton is system-intensive. The main reason I'm using Ableton is because it's very stable and I have it already anyway.

It looks like Jriver has built in PEQ and crossfeed that can be applied to the virtual sound card. Depending on quality of the crossfeed implementation, it may not be necessary to use a VST.

 

[andreasmaaan]

It looks like Jriver has built in PEQ and crossfeed that can be applied to the virtual sound card. Depending on quality of the crossfeed implementation, it may not be necessary to use a VST.

That's true, although if my experiment is anything to go by, there are wide variations between different crossfeed plugins. Given the inbuilt one in Jriver is not their primary product, perhaps it isn't the best available (ofc I'm not sure though)...

Does Jriver let you plug a VST into the virtual sound card?

I know other ppl use Reaper to do this FWIW.

 

[Theriverlethe]

That's true, although if my experiment is anything to go by, there are wide variations between different crossfeed plugins. Given the inbuilt one in Jriver is not their primary product, perhaps it isn't the best available (ofc I'm not sure though)...

Does Jriver let you plug a VST into the virtual sound card?

I know other ppl use Reaper to do this FWIW.

All processing through their “DSP Studio” runs on the virtual sound card. They probably don’t have the best or most flexible crossfeed implementation. Which other VST’s did you evaluate?

 

[andreasmaaan]

All processing through their “DSP Studio” runs on the virtual sound card. They probably don’t have the best or most flexible crossfeed implementation. Which other VST’s did you evaluate?

Just the two in the OP in depth so far... I also had a quick listen to this and this.

Re: the virtual sound card in Jriver, I actually realise now that I may not understand what it is exactly. I had imagined that it is essentially a way to route system audio through Jriver so that you can run everything through Jriver's processing. Is that right? And if so, does that include the ability to plug VSTs into the chain (much like I'm doing with Ableton)?

 

[Theriverlethe]

Just the two in the OP in depth so far... I also had a quick listen to this and this.

Re: the virtual sound card in Jriver, I actually realise now that I may not understand what it is exactly. I had imagined that it is essentially a way to route system audio through Jriver so that you can run everything through Jriver's processing. Is that right? And if so, does that include the ability to plug VSTs into the chain (much like I'm doing with Ableton)?

Yes, it basically creates a fake sound card in Windows that you can select as default audio output. All processing through Jriver, including VST, gets passed to your real audio device selected in Jriver.

 

[andreasmaaan]

Yes, it basically creates a fake sound card in Windows that you can select as default audio output. All processing through Jriver, including VST, gets passed to your real audio device selected in Jriver.

Sounds like a better option than Ableton Live, which does exactly the same thing with Virtual Cable, but uses a lot of processing power, presumably because it's designed primarily for live electronic music performance.

 

[Theriverlethe]

Sounds like a better option than Ableton Live, which does exactly the same thing with Virtual Cable, but uses a lot of processing power, presumably because it's designed primarily for live electronic music performance.

Possibly... I haven’t used Jriver in years, but maybe I can still get an upgrade discount. I have no idea what kind of latency or CPU usage it has.

 

[andreasmaaan]

Possibly... I haven’t used Jriver in years, but maybe I can still get an upgrade discount. I have no idea what kind of latency or CPU usage it has.

Same here, actually. I had a version of it maybe ten years ago, haven't used it in yonks. It was not processor intensive at all back then, though.

 

[Theriverlethe]

Same here, actually. I had a version of it maybe ten years ago, haven't used it in yonks. It was not processor intensive at all back then, though.

I had to install a new trial version since my licensed version doesn't support 64-bit VST. After activating the WDM driver and messing with buffers, I think I got a pretty good results with CanOpener. Qobuz is feeding the Jriver driver with WASAPI exclusive mode. CanOpener seems to create a decent out-of-head effect without destroying tonality too much. I'm using these settings with my HE4XX after PEQ for the 2018 over-ear Harman curve:

(Note: Soft Start Time must be disabled or Jriver garbles the audio.)

 

[andreasmaaan]

I had to install a new trial version since my licensed version doesn't support 64-bit VST. After activating the WDM driver and messing with buffers, I think I got a pretty good results with CanOpener. Qobuz is feeding the Jriver driver with WASAPI exclusive mode. CanOpener seems to create a decent out-of-head effect without destroying tonality too much. I'm using these settings with my HE4XX after PEQ for the 2018 over-ear Harman curve:

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(Note: Soft Start Time must be disabled or Jriver garbles the audio.)

Good to hear You may want to try applying the additional EQ curve I posted in the OP to compensate for the slight tonality shift caused by Can Opener. It definitely seemed to help for me.

 

[Theriverlethe]

Good to hear You may want to try applying the additional EQ curve I posted in the OP to compensate for the slight tonality shift caused by Can Opener. It definitely seemed to help for me.

Can you post the actual values for the filters? Usually people comment on a slight bass emphasis with this plugin, which is pretty normal for crossfeed. I’d be interested to hear some feedback from Goodhertz on this.

 

[andreasmaaan]

Can you post the actual values for the filters? Usually people comment on a slight bass emphasis with this plugin, which is pretty normal for crossfeed. I’d be interested to hear some feedback from Goodhertz on this.

Sure, sorry, I hadn't realised I hadn't posted the actual values.

For "amount" = 100%, "angle" = 60°, the values are:

Or if you prefer a different setting, tell me what it is and I can work out the values for that.