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Gustard Audalytic DR70N R2R DAC With DSD Support (without PCM conversion)

That sale was short lived - back to the normal $439.99 price. Must have been a "Prime Days" thing.
 
88 SINAD isn’t very impressive.
 
Interesting comparison between their high dollar R30 VS DR70.

DR70 SINAD

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R30 SINAD

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Notice the use of 5 volts output on the A30 versus 4.3 volts output on the DR70. This inflates the SINAD number some on the A30.

Now frequency response - first DR70 followed by A30.

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The A30 avoids the D70 slight roll-off below 20KHZ.

DR70 multi-tone below. Gustard failed to supply one for the A30.

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Dynamic range - DR70 then A30.

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Better range on the A30 for sure.

It appears Gustard has preserved the better numbers for their high dollar A30. The question is: will the DR70 come up short in listening tests?
 
I’m using DR70(version without streamer) in pair with iLoud Micro Monitor and not be able to hear any audible difference with my Topping D10s + L30 as preamp. By measurements second setup outperforms DR70, but last one sounds transparent for me.
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For DR measurements of DR70 - Gustard uses AES17, and for A30 it can be A-Weighting because they don’t have description with AES17. So DR70 can show a few dB less and A30 a few dB more. of course, it is not critical difference for each device.
 
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I’m using DR70(version without streamer) in pair with iLoud Micro Monitor and not be able to hear any audible difference with my Topping D10s + L30 as preamp. By measurements second setup outperforms DR70, but last one sounds transparent for me.
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For DR measurements of DR70 - Gustard uses AES17, and for A30 it can be A-Weighting because they don’t have description with AES17. So DR70 can show a few dB less and A30 a few dB more. of course, it is not critical difference for each device.
Your have a DSP speaker. If you connect it via analog, it will use an ADC to convert it back to digital, do DSP magic and output again though it’s internal DAC. Reportedly that is a ADAU1701 which has a 80-something SINAD, and I wouldn’t worry about DR either ;) That is orders of magnitude worse than those DACs you compared.
 
Your have a DSP speaker. If you connect it via analog, it will use an ADC to convert it back to digital, do DSP magic and output again though it’s internal DAC. Reportedly that is a ADAU1701 which has a 80-something SINAD, and I wouldn’t worry about DR either ;) That is orders of magnitude worse than those DACs you compared.
It is only one option for connection )) yep, I know about it. But for me it also transparent via headamp with headphones )) but with SINAD -88dB audible difference is possible only on extremely high loudness, I think it is no possible to hear distortion on normal level of loudness. So basically it is not an issue in this case - it is definitely not the worst implementation of R-2R :) of course if you understand that in this price range not possible to expect SOA measurement. And price with discount on Ali was about 230$ - so I’m get what I’m pay for - it is nice looking device )) that it )) and this device can play music )))
 
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So I purchased a DR70N from Amazon and received it today. It does not come with a manual, you have to download it. The downloaded manual does not mention the dr70.local webpage on the local network, you have to google that to get that information. The unit itself seems well-made and is hefty at almost 5 pounds. I installed it in place of my Schiit Modius- AK4493 version that I have used for several years. The inputs used are USB - raspberry pi Running Volumio and optical connected to Waxwing digital output. One issue I identified quickly is when switching inputs, only the selected input is alive. Volumio doesn’t like this and stops playback while alerting you that the DAC just went AWOL. You must go to the playlist to restart the song after returning the DR70N back to the USB input. The Waxwing doesn’t care and immediately is playing as soon as optical is selected. The Modius keeps the inputs alive whether it is selected or not, thus keeping Volumio happy at all times.
I listen to the server and some vinyl through the Waxwing. The only thing that seemed different from the Modius was image depth. Not something I can explain with technical reasoning. One of the other reasons I was interested was the Airplay capability - which I have not tested yet.
I have 30 days to decide whether to keep. One other thing, the firmware was old and it seamlessly updated it over the ethernet connection. Bonus points for not turning into a “Brick” post update.
 
Who would want this? You'd have to be desperate for R2R.
Certainly no desperation as the Schiit Modius does its job quite well. Curious if any difference between R2R and Delta-Sigma DAC would be audible - nothing I could hear other than greater depth of stereo image. I have been looking for something to play with that does Airplay - as I occasionally need that convenience. Price is not terrible at all. Measurements are not state of the art, however, Gustard’s posted AP measurements are not really that bad. The SINAD looks disappointing at 88, but a closer look shows an astonishing lack of power supply noise below the 1 KHZ signal. The even and odd harmonics above 1 KHZ look to be the reason for the SINAD results. The multi-tone results look pretty good - noise does not rise significantly with frequency and stays below - 120 db. Gustard has a reputation of reliability and having it succeed at a firmware update with no issues is a positive sign.
Jury is still out on whether to keep it. It does add some features I desire, but it doesn’t switch inputs as easily as the Modius. Part of the “fun” of the hobby is to “play” with new stuff from time to time. :)
 
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Certainly no desperation as the Schiit Modius does its job quite well. Curious if any difference between R2R and Delta-Sigma DAC would be audible - nothing I could hear other than greater depth of stereo image. I have been looking for something to play with that does Airplay - as I occasionally need that convenience. Price is not terrible at all. Measurements are not state of the art, however, Gustard’s posted AP measurements are not really that bad. The SINAD looks disappointing at 88, but a closer look shows an astonishing lack of power supply noise below the 1 KHZ signal. The even and odd harmonics above 1 KHZ look to be the reason for the SINAD results. The multi-tone results look pretty good - noise does not rise significantly with frequency and stays below - 120 db. Gustard has a reputation of reliability and having it succeed at a firmware update with no issues is a positive sign.
Jury is still out on whether to keep it. It does add some features I desire, but it doesn’t switch inputs as easily as the Modius. Part of the “fun” of the hobby is to “play” with new stuff from time to time. :)
Sounds very subjective to me. Unless you can identify this deeper soundstage in blind tests it could be you imagination.

It could also be the brain being tricked by distortions for that lack of a filter or harmonic distortion from resistor tolerances.
 
Sounds very subjective to me. Unless you can identify this deeper soundstage in blind tests it could be you imagination.

It could also be the brain being tricked by distortions for that lack of a filter or harmonic distortion from resistor tolerances.
There’s some difficulty setting up a proper blind test - would need to setup a second raspberry pi to feed the Modius simultaneously and switch back and forth between 2 inputs. Possibly would need to attenuate one DAC to match outputs to eliminate the volume variable in case each DAC has slightly different balanced outputs. As far as the soundstage goes, it could always be my imagination. However, it is a recording that I play a lot, so I am very familiar with how it portrays in my room. As far as filters go, it is set for the steepest setting - I have not tested the NOS setting for any sonic differences.
Once again, the primary reason for the purchase is to get some additional features- Airplay is the one I can use since I don’t have a Roon server. The one setting I changed was from “Musicality to Direct” in the setup menu - to avoid any tonality “embellishments” that the “Musicality” setting provides.
 
It appears Gustard has preserved the better numbers for their high dollar A30. The question is: will the DR70 come up short in listening tests?
No, you won’t be able to hear the difference between the two Gustard models, just like you cannot hear the difference between any two competently engineered and competently performing DACs.
 
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