GRIMM Audio LS1c & SB1 DSP Speaker Review

[Robbo99999]

I didn't say he has to answer

(Well, you asked him the same question twice in two seperate posts, but anyway....)

 

[Pearljam5000]

(Well, you asked him the same question twice in two seperate posts, but anyway....)

I thought maybe he missed it the first time or something
But yeah no need to answer it
It's just not every day that the owner of the company participates in the product's thread so I thought I would ask that.

 

[Robbo99999]

I thought maybe he missed it the first time or something
But yeah no need to answer it
It's just not every day that the owner of the company participates in the product's thread so I thought I would ask that.

Just buy that Genelec already!

 

[Pearljam5000]

Just buy that Genelec already!

Working on it

 

[BeeKay]

Working on it

Would some gofundme help?

 

[MattHooper]

He doesn't have to answer, and it's just that kind of product that we know is silly priced, so anything he says wouldn't justify it to us anyway, it's just that kind of product.

I’m not sure exactly what you’re cut off for
“ silly priced” would be.

I have seen manufacturers in the past who sell products that were criticized for the price breakdown their costs and reasoning for the price… and the price no longer seemed “silly” in that regard.

I mean, there’s a lot of “ you could just DIY that much cheaper” to be found on the net, which end up being pretty ignorant of what it takes to run a particular business and actually sell the products in question.

 

[Robbo99999]

Would some gofundme help?

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People might actually respond to that & do it!

 

[Pearljam5000]

People might actually respond to that & do it!

Would some gofundme help?

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Thank you all for the kindness
Really appreciate it
But I can't take money from you in any way
It's just feels wrong to me.
But thanks again

 

[thewas]

But I can't take money from you in any way
It's just feels wrong to me.

But time is money (actually it is even more precious) and you take that from all of us with the same posts/questions over and over

 

[Robbo99999]

I’m not sure exactly what you’re cut off for
“ silly priced” would be.

I have seen manufacturers in the past who sell products that were criticized for the price breakdown their costs and reasoning for the price… and the price no longer seemed “silly” in that regard.

I mean, there’s a lot of “ you could just DIY that much cheaper” to be found on the net, which end up being pretty ignorant of what it takes to run a particular business and actually sell the products in question.

Good question. There's the 8361A for $5000 according to Amir's review, and that performs better than the Grimm in most ways I'd say, so the Grimm is $39250 which is near as damn it 8 times the price. Given that the finishing (aesthetic) is maybe a bit more bespoke and luxury on the Grimm and given it has that quite unique really wide horizontal dispersion then I think more than $10000 is silly given that the 8361A measures better in most ways. I do actually prefer the look of the 8361A too, but I can understand why the finishing on the Grimm might be thought to be more bespoke or luxury. So that would be my own cut off for saying it's silly priced, $10000 - and of course not that I would think it's worth it at that price either, but that would be my cut off for describing this particular speaker "silly priced".

 

[MattHooper]

Good question. There's the 8361A for $5000 according to Amir's review, and that performs better than the Grimm in most ways I'd say, so the Grimm is $39250 which is near as damn it 8 times the price. Given that the finishing (aesthetic) is maybe a bit more bespoke and luxury on the Grimm and given it has that quite unique really wide horizontal dispersion then I think more than $10000 is silly given that the 8361A measures better in most ways. I do actually prefer the look of the 8361A too, but I can understand why the finishing on the Grimm might be thought to be more bespoke or luxury.

I guess this brings up another aspect of what one is evaluating.

As a consumer one might say it would feel silly to pay significantly more for speaker B over A if the performance was relatively equal.

But in terms of the reason for the pricing, the difference might be between the more boutique and smaller nature of one company versus another with different economies of scale, etc.

The speakers I own for instance are doubtless outperformed technically by significantly cheaper speakers. But I was fine paying extra because I preferred the aesthetics, the exact sound character of these particular speakers compared to others, and also understanding I was buying from a much smaller “ boutique” type operation and so it was going to cost more.

 

[Robbo99999]

I guess this brings up another aspect of what one is evaluating.

As a consumer one might say it would feel silly to pay significantly more for speaker B over A if the performance was relatively equal.

But in terms of the reason for the pricing, the difference might be between the more boutique and smaller nature of one company versus another with different economies of scale, etc.

The speakers I own for instance are doubtless outperformed technically by significantly cheaper speakers. But I was fine paying extra because I preferred the aesthetics, the exact sound character of these particular speakers compared to others, and also understanding I was buying from a much smaller “ boutique” type operation and so it was going to cost more.

I mean I still think it's silly!

 

[Pearljam5000]

I'm willing to pay only for the performance
If I was rich I wouldn't mind paying more for other stuff like aesthetics

 

[Mort]

Good question. There's the 8361A for $5000 according to Amir's review, and that performs better than the Grimm in most ways I'd say, so the Grimm is $39250 which is near as damn it 8 times the price. Given that the finishing (aesthetic) is maybe a bit more bespoke and luxury on the Grimm and given it has that quite unique really wide horizontal dispersion then I think more than $10000 is silly given that the 8361A measures better in most ways. I do actually prefer the look of the 8361A too, but I can understand why the finishing on the Grimm might be thought to be more bespoke or luxury. So that would be my own cut off for saying it's silly priced, $10000 - and of course not that I would think it's worth it at that price either, but that would be my cut off for describing this particular speaker "silly priced".

$11k now. They went up.

Still a bargain in this context.

 

[Frank Dernie]

There's the 8361A for $5000 according to Amir's review,

They are £8100 per pair at the best discount I found, Amir had one. The price for the Grimms is a pair.
Obviously still very expensive but I am bemused people get their knickers in such a spectacular twist about it.

The 8361A with its dedicated LF box (W371) is £24,300 a pair. That is the context in which I would compare their prices, personally - and have considered buying but put off by the hideousness.

 

[Robbo99999]

They are £8100 per pair at the best discount I found, Amir had one. The price for the Grimms is a pair.
Obviously still very expensive but I am bemused people get their knickers in such a spectacular twist about it.

The 8361A with its dedicated LF box (W371) is £24,300 a pair. That is the context in which I would compare their prices, personally - and have considered buying but put off by the hideousness.

Ok, per pair, so that decreases it from the x8 factor I mentioned (to the x4 factor), and yeah in different countries the prices will be different I imagine which can affect the comparison, and as @Mort mentioned he said the price of the Genelec has gone up since the review. I mean I still think it's silly though! I'll have to amend the silly money amount to $20000 because of the fact I hadn't realised the Grimm was for a pair. I wouldn't compare the Genelec with it's LF Box though because Genelec on it's own is already reaching deeper than the Grimm with LF Box according to the anechoic measurements, and the Genelec will also benefit by room reinforcement likewise.

 

[Heinrich]

Ok, ... the prices ... and the Genelec will also benefit by room reinforcement likewise.

O/k the investment. The unique selling point is there. What price can you charge? If it is a good innovative feature, you can be confident that it will be copied in the near future. Making it available on a mass scale will reduce costs. Better to wait, not buy today.
If the feature is not a real improvement, it will not be widely available. But all the more reason not to buy today.

What do you smart guys think of this idea? Otherwise, congratulations on the recent derailment of the thread, an impressive train wreck. And again not enough bass, oh well.

I'll probably never get my technical questions answered. Who am I?

 

[Pearljam5000]

O/k the investment. The unique selling point is there. What price can you charge? If it is a good innovative feature, you can be confident that it will be copied in the near future. Making it available on a mass scale will reduce costs. Better to wait, not buy today.
If the feature is not a real improvement, it will not be widely available. But all the more reason not to buy today.

What do you smart guys think of this idea? Otherwise, congratulations on the recent derailment of the thread, an impressive train wreck. And again not enough bass, oh well.

I'll probably never get my technical questions answered. Who am I?

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Honestly, I don't get your criticism
There's a discussion like on every other thread

 

[Mort]

Otherwise, congratulations on the recent derailment of the thread, an impressive train wreck.

Thank gosh you are here to police it. Phew. Crisis averted.

 

[Heinrich]

Thank gosh you are here to police it. Phew. Crisis averted.

I'm not. I've got technical questions right from the beginning, and I was hoping for some anwers. But it is always about the bass (see the bigger Revels for comparison) and the price. I understand the urge to question the price. I would rather ignore it (way beyond my paygrade). But the technicalities are in my range, so to say.