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[xaviescacs]

You know, I was thinking Prandtl number, but no doubt you're right.

This is a nice one. The Reynolds number describes how the fluid behaves mechanically, a sort of measure on the non-linearity of its dynamics, and that conditions the drag force. When there is turbulence the drag force depends quadratically on the velocity and linearly otherwise. The Prandtl number is a property of the fluid that describes the ratio between thermal diffusivity and momentum diffusivity, which in the end is conduction vs convection. If you mention this coefficient to subtly indicate that we haven't considered the temperature of capacitors, KUDOS for you.

 

[Spkrdctr]

If an A/B test was set up where the participants were asked whether or not they could hear a difference in performance between cheap and expensive audio cables but no actual change was made and the same cable was used for both A and B I wonder how many would claim they could easily hear a difference?

Before the test they all claim they can EASILY hear the difference. After the test and their total failure to tell any difference, they are shocked and walk away STILL BELIEVING THAT THEY CAN HEAR A DIFFERENCE and can't figure out why they couldn't this time. Then the excuses start. I could list some common excuses but pretty much think of any crazy reason and they would bring it up, because after their failure, they still believe!!!

 

[garbz]

He is always backed up with lots of work to do so it isn't worth it for him to follow up on that.

Are you saying it's not worth his time to prove to all of his detractors he's not bullshitting? I mean think about it, if you made a business selling something then this would likely be priority number one for you. This thread would be very different if he can do what he claims.

Getting swindled still generally boils down to someone asking for it by not doing their homework.

The problem is once everyone's been swindled you'll find them perpetuating the myth which swindled them in the fist place.

Well, if you believe in cables....

How could you not believe in cables? I tried to use a speaker without cables once. I couldn't get any sound on it. Then after I got my engineering degree I finally realised my mistake.

 

[Killingbeans]

Are you saying it's not worth his time to prove to all of his detractors he's not bullshitting?

No, because the people who buy his products couldn't care less. They like his confidence and demeanor and take it as plenty proof.

 

[Larry B. Larabee]

So, this Charlatan gets a pass, but others don't?

Post in thread 'TotalDAC USB cable/filter - Teardown' https://audiosciencereview.com/foru...-usb-cable-filter-teardown.29564/post-1034343

The other product is obviously garbage and not likely to be considered by even the most naive. My objection was that Amir called attention to it for a reason that I can't seem to fathom.

 

[Larry B. Larabee]

The charlatans can do whatever they want. What we don't want happen is the misinformation about audio which they spread to become so broad as to be accepted as facts. Danny is charismatic on camera so gets a lot of people watching him. To the extent he goes on that medium and says a blind test is trivial to pass for cables, and that measurements are not needed, then we get to voice our opinion otherwise. And unlike him, do it with data. So yes, we are needed.

You can't save the world. People come here to get advice on how to purchase properly constructed and engineered equipment. I thought.

 

[amirm]

You can't save the world. People come here to get advice on how to purchase properly constructed and engineered equipment. I thought.

A transformation of the industry is afoot due to what we, I and membership/visitors, have done. Our work is traveling far and wide. That transformation is better designed equipment according to proper engineering and audio research and science. The goodness on this front gas more and more become a buying criteria. Any company that is ignoring this, has their head in the sand.

So maybe we can't save the whole world but we are on a path to make a significant impact on major portion of it. Let there be no confusion about this.

 

[garbz]

No, because the people who buy his products couldn't care less.

That's a great business strategy for those people who don't like finding customers or making money. I think you've solved all of business. No need to ever advertise anything anymore since people who buy your products don't need to be advertised to either right?
I wouldn't take that strategy to an investor. Heck I wouldn't take that strategy to the mafia to get a payday loan.

 

[Spkrdctr]

That's a great business strategy for those people who don't like finding customers or making money. I think you've solved all of business. No need to ever advertise anything anymore since people who buy your products don't need to be advertised to either right?
I wouldn't take that strategy to an investor. Heck I wouldn't take that strategy to the mafia to get a payday loan.

The issue is that Danny is swamped. He is very far behind in work. He just put out an online call for people to email him about working at GR Research. He is backed up by hundreds of orders. He literally has NO NEED to do any testing to enhance his business. It is growing like crazy. Do NOT think he is barely getting by. He sells every bit of product he can get his hands on.

 

[Rick Sykora]

The issue is that Danny is swamped. He is very far behind in work. He just put out an online call for people to email him about working at GR Research. He is backed up by hundreds of orders. He literally has NO NEED to do any testing to enhance his business. It is growing like crazy. Do NOT think he is barely getting by. He sells every bit of product he can get his hands on.

He may have a backlog, but according to his website the issue is parts supply. Does not really mean that the business is growing like crazy. Time will tell.

Depending on his cash reserves, it is difficult to survive lack of parts while having to pay more for them.

 

[More Dynamics Please]

Charismatic leaders attract trusting followers. It's part of the human condition. There's little downside to telling people what they want to hear even if it isn't true, especially when it involves generating financial gain. When a jury recently found Elizabeth Holmes guilty of investment fraud it was the exception rather than the rule. Caveat emptor.

 

[Killingbeans]

That's a great business strategy for those people who don't like finding customers or making money. I think you've solved all of business. No need to ever advertise anything anymore since people who buy your products don't need to be advertised to either right?
I wouldn't take that strategy to an investor. Heck I wouldn't take that strategy to the mafia to get a payday loan.

The strategy gives both customers and income in spades, otherwise nonsense wouldn't be so widespread in the industry.

Fabricate a good story and give it a sprinkle of truth, and people will gladly throw money at you. Especially if you seem confident while you spew the BS. If something strokes your ego and/or makes you feel like you're part of a superior community, it's surprisingly easy to suspend your disbelief. Both as a manufacturer and as a customer. Human nature is a bitch.

No wonder people call ASR users "naysayers" and "flat earthers". They see us as an echo chamber where the wounderful truth of sighted listening is rejected without rhyme and reason.

GR Research's gonna GR Research, and the world keeps turning.

 

[egellings]

Good ol' Sprague 715P Orange Drops work for me.

 

[Rick Sykora]

So was helping another member with his speaker search and found he had built one of Danny's speakers. The member does not seem to have them any longer but was looking for alternatives. When I built the X-LS Encore for Amir to review, had mentioned how quickly it went up in price with upgrades. As I mentioned earlier, GR is having supply issues and cannot ship Encores right now. Since I built them, GR has also started to offer cabinets. But a pair of unfinished cabinets almost doubles the price of the base kit!

Saw someone mention that Philharmonic Audio has their Affordable Accuracy Monitor back in stock, so I checked it out. It is under $400 shipped with a finished cabinet and no soldering! It also appears to include some damping material (@Dennis Murphy to confirm). That was another expensive adder for the X-LS Encore.

Once you add in GR's damping material, the Encore price is close to $600 BEFORE shipping.

 

[k3nn3th]

I am saying all this as his former, satisfied customer. I don’t understand why we’re still discussing these cable and pricing topics. What he thinks about cables is his business and the one who believes it. The other one is supply/demand, plus there’s a hardware shortage around the world.

I, as an amateur, try to get information through this and other channels/forums. But the more I am involved, the more questions I have and become more insecure. What he does, by testing the speakers, I think that is very good.

 

[More Dynamics Please]

No wonder people call ASR users "naysayers" and "flat earthers". They see us as an echo chamber where the wounderful truth of sighted listening is rejected without rhyme and reason.

Sure, anyone can try to pin any label they want on anyone else without any credible supporting data. Magnified by social media it's currently one of the most popular games on planet Earth. Objectively speaking flat earthers are essentially science deniers so trying to pin a label of "flat earthers" on those who promote scientific method makes no sense at all. But it does perfectly fit a lot of what's going wrong with the world right now.

 

[garbz]

The issue is that Danny is swamped.

No. The issue is he's swamped enough to be far behind in work but not popular enough to justify expanding the business. You don't let your detractors run wild when you can prove them wrong just because you're a bit busy. That's really poor business sense. The answer to being swamped is to drum up enough work to employ more people. That's business 102 kind of stuff, business 101 covering how to advertise and deal with customer perception.

 

[audio2design]

Charismatic leaders attract trusting followers. It's part of the human condition. There's little downside to telling people what they want to hear even if it isn't true, especially when it involves generating financial gain. When a jury recently found Elizabeth Holmes guilty of investment fraud it was the exception rather than the rule. Caveat emptor.

He is not even terribly charismatic, this is more of desperation latching onto anyone with an audience that thinks the way you do.

 

[egellings]

Knowledge, when found to be incorrect or incomplete, can be edited. Beliefs cannot be edited at all. They are shiny objects.

 

[Spkrdctr]

No. The issue is he's swamped enough to be far behind in work but not popular enough to justify expanding the business. You don't let your detractors run wild when you can prove them wrong just because you're a bit busy. That's really poor business sense. The answer to being swamped is to drum up enough work to employ more people. That's business 102 kind of stuff, business 101 covering how to advertise and deal with customer perception.

I'm generally NOT supporting Danny, but if he is a two man shop and totally swamped with existing orders, meaning hundreds are waiting to go out, you don't stop and fool around testing stuff. He is way beyond a bit busy! Customers want product in a timely fashion and he is 3 at least months out now. He has put out a call for more help. You guys bang on him even when he does what you want, hire more people. I don't even agree with his upgrades and I'm defending him because of the lame smack talk people say because they think they know what is going on.
Now stop making me be the voice of reason! I don't like the position, I'm retired so I can be that crazy old coot voice more often......