GR Research Speaker Upgrade Review (Sierra-2EX V2)

[Ropeburn]

That graph is 25 dB/decade. As already said, they did show 50 dB span, but with aspect ratio of 25 dB/decade so text and Figure 4 in CTA-2034-A R-2020 are in conflict. Just reminding again that your 32 dB/decade is in conflict with both standards.

Comparability of the content is relevant. Not how high the canvas is. For example, these three with different spans have the same data, aspect ratio and width i.e. they have the same shape and are comparable. Just useless empty space between DIs and others is different.
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The last one follows CTA-2034-A R-2020 the most literally, but it's also the least effective due to useless space. Why should we consume more server space and force users to scroll vertically if there is no reason?
Good grief...

Instant comparability is always a good thing. We humans are notoriously bad at graphs and scales, with zero intuition for it. We have to switch on our "highest" brain every time and be rigorous and check the scale and numbers, are we not to get things wrong from what we see at first glance and make interpretation mistakes.

That's why "manipulating" graphs by skewing them works so well in the first place!

Anything making it easier is good. 20% bigger image filesize and one second longer scrolling, that's a good trade if you ask me.

 

[kimmosto]

There's no ROI -- AKA "bang for the buck" -- in these sort of passive crossover tweaks.

Of course. My comment was just personal opinion trying also respect manufacturer's work and choices. My own designs are sometimes okay and sometimes less okay. Tweaking existing commercial product won't be profitable (for me) because I don't need them.

 

[kimmosto]

20% bigger image filesize and one second longer scrolling, that's a good trade if you ask me.

No problem to accept that, but 50 dB span for other than publishing with actual possibility to compare is not valuable. For example, my earlier images were exported from a simulator where 50 dB span with exactly 25 dB/decade aspect ratio is unusable during normal design work with a laptop. There can be overlays for comparison so any image swapping or graphical tricks with transparency are not required. But no problem to export using aspect ratio and span of the standards in question.
But generally, infinite discussion about span is off-topic, and we can just guess what actual motivation is.

 

[dasherzx]

flat earth society audio theory review members btfo how can the folks here recover from this

 

[mj30250]

Oh the irony of Danny describing ASR's membership as "flat Earthers"...

"Trust your eyes! When you go outside do you see the Earth curve?!" springs from the same school of logic as "Trust your ears! Everyone who listens to these tube connectors hears a huge difference!", while each group continually fails to realize that it's neither their eyes nor their ears that are lying to them.

 

[tw 2022]

Is that a joke, you want Amir to make a 6 hour long video just to cover half of the things he got wrong?

What kind of person are you to put Amir through such torture?

for Amir to respond to Danny at this point would be a waste of time.. it would just be escalating a blossoming feud that doesn't need to happen .. they can live in their world and asr can certainly do the same..

 

[Ropeburn]

It's up to Amir finding the right balance: between the mission of truth he's on, and not bothering too much with a lost cause.

 

[PristineSound]

for Amir to respond to Danny at this point would be a waste of time.. it would just be escalating a blossoming feud that doesn't need to happen .. they can live in their world and asr can certainly do the same..

True but here is the issue:

Danny, like all con-artists do, they repeat lies over and over again, with extreme confidence and with fake exasperation. So over time, the repetition slowly seeps into the minds of the unwashed and it becomes fact.

For example, Danny keeps bringing up that Amir demonstrated EMF with a power cable unplugged and proceeds to attack Amir on how stupid he is.

Despite the fact that Amir made an entire video explaining the concept of phantom voltage:

 

[voodooless]

they can live in their world and asr can certainly do the same..

Absolutely not. Both are competing for a similar audience. And ASR is the embodiment of evil in Danny’s world. He can’t ignore ASR because the platform has grown so large that it’s impossible to overlook. Like wise, Danny and his company embodies a lot of what ASR thinks is wrong with this industry. In many ways it’s the perfect feud

 

[Ropeburn]

In many ways it’s the perfect feud

Huh. Isn't that the hard truth! I guess you put a lot of vague feelings into good words.

We're all contributing to "the cause" here I guess. All in our own way.

 

[ErVikingo]

Putting aside all the attacks or tribalism,

- a test of the Sierra with the "correct kit" would be interesting

- is there any value to D's comment about the components being incorrectly wired?

 

[tw 2022]

True but here is the issue:

Danny, like all con-artists do, they repeat lies over and over again, with extreme confidence and with fake exasperation. So over time, the repetition slowly seeps into the minds of the unwashed and it becomes fact.

For example, Danny keeps bringing up that Amir demonstrated EMF with a power cable unplugged and proceeds to attack Amir on how stupid he is.

Despite the fact that Amir made an entire video explaining the concept of phantom voltage:

I don't dispute your narrative in the least, however my thought is: it isn't worth it ... it will become a feud that lasts in perpetuity and will distract from the mission of ASR... giving people free rent in the space of our collective "being" is self defeating behavior imo... but to each his own...

 

[Buckeye Amps]

Having just recently finished the documentaries on the Oceangate incident.....the "My genius is misunderstood by everyone else" personality is tiresome. At least Danny isn't building a submersible I suppose.

 

[voodooless]

giving people free rent in the space of our collective "being" is self defeating behavior imo

I think you’ve got that the other way around.

 

[tw 2022]

Having just recently finished the documentaries on the Oceangate incident.....the "My genius is misunderstood by everyone else" personality is tiresome. At least Danny isn't building a submersible I suppose.

it's a classic troublesome personality style.. we've all dealt with them either at work, family or in neighborhoods.. those folks are best avoided...

 

[tw 2022]

I think you’ve got that the other way around.

no doubt Danny has "asr on the brain" right now , that's his personality style showing it's traits, asr is "the bad guy" that exposes his dysfunction.. I wouldn't let it happen in reverse.. he (Danny) doesn't pay the bills here , Amir and the members do.. I'd vote to keep him outside the walls...

 

[Buckeye Amps]

it's a classic troublesome personality style.. we've all dealt with them either at work, family or in neighborhoods.. those folks are best avoided...

Normally I agree, however when those people are using that type of toxic personality to spread easily refuted misinformation it should be addressed as needed.

 

[tw 2022]

Normally I agree, however when those people are using that type of toxic personality to spread easily refuted misinformation it should be addressed as needed.

I don't disagree with that notion at all , I just cringe at the thought of this overriding reviews and normal discussion.. this whole thing reeks of toxicity....

 

[PristineSound]

- is there any value to D's comment about the components being incorrectly wired?

Nothing was incorrectly wired on his mod for the Sierra.

Danny was referring to this: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...v123-gr-research-x-voce-speaker-review.49563/

He is amplifying the lie that the only reason why this speaker measured so bad is because the polarity was incorrectly wired. Once again, Amir proved that his lying excuses are just that, lies and excuses:

 

[Power Pop 23]

Absolutely not. Both are competing for a similar audience. And ASR is the embodiment of evil in Danny’s world. He can’t ignore ASR because the platform has grown so large that it’s impossible to overlook. Like wise, Danny and his company embodies a lot of what ASR thinks is wrong with this industry. In many ways it’s the perfect feud

Let's coax Amir and Mr. Richie to respectively recruit teams of acolytes and then journey to Atlanta to enlist Steve Harvey's help in bringing closure to this issue for the wider public. I think 'snake oil' would have a higher number of survey responses than 'charlatan' but I do not know......