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GR Research LGK 2.0 Speaker Review (A Joke)

Rate this speaker:

  • 1. Poor (headless panther)

    Votes: 392 87.7%
  • 2. Not terrible (postman panther)

    Votes: 38 8.5%
  • 3. Fine (happy panther

    Votes: 7 1.6%
  • 4. Great (golfing panther)

    Votes: 10 2.2%

  • Total voters
    447
The review Index page on this site is possibly one of the most useless pages in all of webdom. it has no links except to the most recent reviews and doesn't even list past reviews. An abject failure of UX.
You have to know the secret handshake, which is to click on a category at the top: Audio Electronics, Headphones, or Speakers. Then you do get to a useful index for reviews of those items.

But I agree that this page, the Dashboard page, does not convey that info very well ...
 
You have to know the secret handshake, which is to click on a category at the top: Audio Electronics, Headphones, or Speakers. Then you do get to a useful index for reviews of those items.

But I agree that this page, the Dashboard page, does not convey that info very well ...
Well thanks. That option doesn’t exist in the iPhone interface. I do almost all of my web browsing on my phone.
Apologies.
If the volunteers have a moment please make the iPhone interface similar to the one for the PC. I appreciate what you do. We all have bad days/ I had one and again I apologize for my criticism.
The iPhone interface is missing the list of categories that lead to the individual reviews.
 
Well thanks. That option doesn’t exist in the iPhone interface. I do almost all of my web browsing on my phone.
Apologies.
If the volunteers have a moment please make the iPhone interface similar to the one for the PC. I appreciate what you do. We all have bad days/ I had one and again I apologize for my criticism.
The iPhone interface is missing the list of categories that lead to the individual reviews.

I am using an iPhone 12 mini.

I can access the individual categories of 'Audio Electronics', 'Headphones' and 'Speakers' from the upper left section of the Audio Review Dashboard that shows 'three lines stacked'. Clicking on these three lines brings up a menu to access each category. From each category I can access the 'Review Link' at the farthest right of each entry - assuming the review has been manually entered into the Index
 
I am using an iPhone 12 mini.

I can access the individual categories of 'Audio Electronics', 'Headphones' and 'Speakers' from the upper left section of the Audio Review Dashboard that shows 'three lines stacked'. Clicking on these three lines brings up a menu to access each category. From each category I can access the 'Review Link' at the farthest right of each entry - assuming the review has been manually entered into the Index
Got it! Thanks.
 
Old review but I made some little full range speakers recently and really liked them, so I thought I'd share my disagreements. I don't really think the title needs the "a joke" part. This should be an impartial review but it's clearly soured by interactions with Danny. I get it, he's awful to talk to and will bring out the worst in anyone, but that addition isn't necessary and hasn't been seen in any other speaker review here. It kind of muddies the waters a bit. Let the data speak for itself, we don't an opinion on the speaker we can make that up ourselves.

I'm sure many will disagree but you really need to hear a speaker like this in stereo to get it. Mono is fine for judging tonality but the whole "seamless coherency" full ranges can be known for is kind of lost in mono. My preference is generally for neutral two ways with great dispersion, but the little speakers I made sitting in the near field give a more enveloping and convincing sound than any of my other speakers. Of course there isn't much bass, though mine do produce an acceptable amount.

So I'm kind of wondering how one gets this coherency that I'm hearing, but in a multi way if it's even possible. I've got ascilab like speakers with low xover points to alleviate lobing. I've got speakers with active filtering that have been linear phase, or minimum with phase correction (or not). I have genelec monitors. I don't know what it is but none of them sound as easy to listen to or as coherent as my little speaker.
 
But they are a joke, evidenced by the measurements on page 1... did you read it?


JSmith

Yes.

I don't really feel I need to state that I read the review but since you asked, I did. As a note, I tend to ignore Amir's red text as it tends to not really be consistent between speakers and sometimes kind of shows that he lacks a bit of knowledge. There are quite a few speakers he's review for instance that have close mic surround dips in the response and he just puts a "?" next to it. He also cans some speakers performance while saying it was fine in others. It's just a byproduct of doing so many reviews but the comments sometimes do lack consistency.

The only data that would imply this speaker is lacking is it's distortion. Everything is largely fine. We have far more expensive speakers with far worse on axis response and far worse dispersion. Of course this speaker is just widely overpriced for what it is, but it's not really hard to DIY.

Look I'm all for audio sciences and exceptionally designed speakers but I have some extremely similar speakers to LGK in front of me right now and they're not a joke. They're sitting right next to genelec 8030c and Mechano23 and as much people might want to admit, they sound fine in comparison.

So yeah, just going to have to agree to disagree. If what I'm hearing is considered a joke then make the damn court jester. A real joke of a speaker to me is the Borresen x3 which appears to have no redeeming qualities what so ever.
 
But they are a joke, evidenced by the measurements on page 1... did you read it?


JSmith
There's been worse frequency response, and like any small driver is not going to satisfy people who need concert levels (which for some reason everyone seems to want speakers to play really loud here).
It does have a smaller xmax than some.
I use small speakers all the time, and they are fine for the intended purpose.

They do seem very similar to drivers used in Logitech more expensive systems 20 years ago (so, better used with a high pass and a sub)
 
As LGK stood for Little Giant Killer, no giant loudspeaker is remotely threatened by a speaker with this level of distortions at 86 dBSPL. Hence a joke.

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Yes.

I don't really feel I need to state that I read the review but since you asked, I did. As a note, I tend to ignore Amir's red text as it tends to not really be consistent between speakers and sometimes kind of shows that he lacks a bit of knowledge. There are quite a few speakers he's review for instance that have close mic surround dips in the response and he just puts a "?" next to it. He also cans some speakers performance while saying it was fine in others. It's just a byproduct of doing so many reviews but the comments sometimes do lack consistency.

The only data that would imply this speaker is lacking is it's distortion. Everything is largely fine. We have far more expensive speakers with far worse on axis response and far worse dispersion. Of course this speaker is just widely overpriced for what it is, but it's not really hard to DIY.

Look I'm all for audio sciences and exceptionally designed speakers but I have some extremely similar speakers to LGK in front of me right now and they're not a joke. They're sitting right next to genelec 8030c and Mechano23 and as much people might want to admit, they sound fine in comparison.

So yeah, just going to have to agree to disagree. If what I'm hearing is considered a joke then make the damn court jester. A real joke of a speaker to me is the Borresen x3 which appears to have no redeeming qualities what so ever.
What are the speakers that you are saying are extremely similar to the GR-Research LGK speakers?
 
As LGK stood for Little Giant Killer, no giant loudspeaker is remotely threatened by a speaker with this level of distortions at 86 dBSPL. Hence a joke.

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As I reflect on this thread, this little loudspeaker, and humor: Perhaps we parsed the name of the product inaccurately.
Little (Giant Killer) vs. (Little Giant) Killer
The latter, of course, would be a killer of little giants.
Little Giants
is an oxymoron (cf. jumbo shrimp or military intelligence)
Thus, joke.
QED
:cool:

Humor. ha ha ha ha ha...
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There is no automatic way for the database to update
I would totally understand the hesitation and I didn't install it to my own PC for security reasons but I think Openclaw would be perfect for the task.
 
As LGK stood for Little Giant Killer, no giant loudspeaker is remotely threatened by a speaker with this level of distortions at 86 dBSPL. Hence a joke.

I mean if you follow Danny's marketing, or anything he says, yeah you're gonna have a bad time. He can call it whatever he wants. Did people actually think a little 3" driver was going to outperform a larger speaker?

Considering the real world use case of near field at a desk that speakers of this size will actually be used in, 86db distortion is irrelevant, you'll never get it that loud. Every speaker makes compromises, this one sacrifices SPL capability and bass extension. If those aren't acceptable compromises for your use case then they shouldn't even be on your radar. Do we really need to continually discuss the spl limitations of a 3" driver? I think it's kind of a given...


What are the speakers that you are saying are extremely similar to the GR-Research LGK speakers?

These little guys. It's a dayton RS100. Fairly similar geometry to the driver Danny is using. I often use them for some general mix check which is something I disagreed with quite a bit until recently. They're actually pretty useful in identifying some problems.

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In room response with some nice 150hz peak from my room. They are ported, 11 component filter.

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My distortion is fine, but rises very fast beyond my typical max SPL. My limitation on SPL is actually port air velocity getting too high. I could probably get a bit better bass with some PR's but not worth the investment. I don't have an SPL meter but my iphone niosh app was reading around 76db on this measurement. This is about as loud as I get them as they're only ~2ft from my head. Just left on THD for visual cleanliness.



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No one should buy anything from Danny, but I feel there's something to be said for a small full range speaker, just not at $300. They do present things a bit differently than a typical multiway and I can definitely hear the appeal. I made a few other little speakers like this and they're just scattered around the house in various rooms. Sometimes you don't want to sit in front of your hyper linear 20-20khz low distortion setup, and just want to relax with something small and simple at low volume that has minimal visual footprint.
 
Yes.

I don't really feel I need to state that I read the review but since you asked, I did. As a note, I tend to ignore Amir's red text as it tends to not really be consistent between speakers and sometimes kind of shows that he lacks a bit of knowledge. There are quite a few speakers he's review for instance that have close mic surround dips in the response and he just puts a "?" next to it. He also cans some speakers performance while saying it was fine in others. It's just a byproduct of doing so many reviews but the comments sometimes do lack consistency.

The only data that would imply this speaker is lacking is it's distortion. Everything is largely fine. We have far more expensive speakers with far worse on axis response and far worse dispersion. Of course this speaker is just widely overpriced for what it is, but it's not really hard to DIY.

Look I'm all for audio sciences and exceptionally designed speakers but I have some extremely similar speakers to LGK in front of me right now and they're not a joke. They're sitting right next to genelec 8030c and Mechano23 and as much people might want to admit, they sound fine in comparison.

So yeah, just going to have to agree to disagree. If what I'm hearing is considered a joke then make the damn court jester. A real joke of a speaker to me is the Borresen x3 which appears to have no redeeming qualities what so ever.

I have some thoughts on sound of single speaker audio but is best done in proper context.

Suggest you create your own thread and share more about your design.
 
If you've ever read a book about science history or scientists, or worked in any domain of scientific research, or been taught by knowledgeable science tutors, or spent time with - or are related to - any of the above, you don't need reminding that boffins are, very commonly, delicate nerdy creatures with fragile egos. They're rarely adept at human interaction. They're inclined to squabble, nurse grievances, and remember slights.

Frequently, there's madness in the method and meanness in the motive - especially when reputations are at stake. I've got time for Danny, and Amir: they've each contributed something valuable to the web – but each have axes to grind (rather publicly now) and that's become bias.

Having said that, perhaps we did need reminding that physics doesn't permit a full-range three-inch driver to fulfill any meaningful duty at room-dependent frequencies. Speakers like that have no business operating without high-pass to subs unless operating at short-range / low SPL. Any such design is wishful thinking, reliant on inflated marketing, and open to straw-man critique. They have their place, but it's a limited niche. And the prominent, ugly, unfinished product shots remind me of the way newspapers select the worst pictures of prominent poliiticians they oppose, and heroic images of those they support.
 
And the prominent, ugly, unfinished product shots remind me of the way newspapers select the worst pictures of prominent poliiticians they oppose, and heroic images of those they support.
This is a kit I purchased which doesn't come with a free paint job. Lest you think on top of paying for this kit, I was supposed to get it painted I suggest you dispense with your conspiracy theories.
 
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Frequently, there's madness in the method and meanness in the motive - especially when reputations are at stake. I've got time for Danny, and Amir: they've each contributed something valuable to the web – but each have axes to grind (rather publicly now) and that's become bias.
My assessments are objective and can't be gamed. His are full of nonsense claims. If you are learning something from him, you haven't learned enough from us.
 
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